Theos-Talk Archives (November 2009 Message tt00212)

Well, as one of the older Dugpas, we have the same problem with those  
damned young'ns trying to do everything at once.  We keep telling them that  
Rome was not burned in a day, even though Chicago was.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:29:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
That is why some have started using the word "theosophical elders" as  if
implying a positive correlation between physical age and wisdom. God  forbid
that dismisses some of the saviours of the world have been always  been 
young
and this is going to be the case in the future.

How can a  old body with a tired mind and tired body have real wisdom? Of
course an  mind in a old body surely will have a lot street smartness which
is not to  be confused with wisdom.

How about young Dugpas and Old Dugpas? We can  start a discussion and even
some of them will join ( to make discussions  very lively and timely) using
pseudonyms to hide their  identities.

MKR

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, <




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(mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) _> wrote:

>
>
>  To be a Theosophist and under 100 is unusual.
>
> Chuck the  Heretic
>
> _www.charlescosiman _www
>
> In a  message dated 11/25/2009 5:19:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _mail@katinkahesselimail@k_ 
(mailto:mail@katinkahesselink.net) _  <mail%40katinkahessmail%40ka> writes:
>
> I just meant  that a well educated woman over 30 with a career of her own
> would not  be expected to change her name on marriage (in The 
Netherlands) 
>  just meant that a well educated woman over 30 with a career of her own
>  would
> not be expected to change her name
>
> It's at the  very least a branding thing: keeping the name you were known
> to have  started out your career with just helps avoid confusion. My 
mother
>  changed her professional name back to her maiden name, without divorcing 
 my
>
> father, a few years ago. I think out of feminist ideals.  Personally I 
would
>
> not think of changing my name on  marriage.
>
> I've since been informed that this is a VERY Dutch  perspective, not
> relevant for Brazil.
>
> I'm 35 - is that  young even on an online site like this one?
>
>  Katinka
>
> --- In
>
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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _  <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>) _, MKR
>  <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the info. As I  recall, you mentioned about Jan Kind several
> > months ago when the  website was taken down after discovery.
> >
> > Your comment  about your age, most here on the list are generally older
> than
>  > you are!! You are young.
> >
> > MKR
>  >
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Spirituality  <mail@...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> >  >
> > > I don't know who S.T. Adelante is.
> >  >
> > > I can tell you that Jan Kind is married to Terezinha.  She took his
> name on
> > > their marriage, even though she  is quite a professional and older 
than
> I am.
> > > He is  Dutch. She is Brazilian. They married only a few years ago. I
>  would
> > > guess 8 or 9 years ago.
> > >
> >  > Katinka
> > >
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>  <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>, MKR
>
> >  > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks. When the website first came up, it was not public and when
>  > > > someone found out about it, it was taken down. It was at a  time
> > > > following the last International Election. It got  resurrected
> > > > subsequently.
> > >  >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > >  On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@>  wrote:
> > > > > In ULT publications, and lectures, it's a  policy not to sign the
> > > > > articles or give out the  names of the lecturers -- since 
theosophy
> > > > >  teachings must stand on their own, and there should be no 
reliance
>  on
> > > > > the authority, reputation or expertise of the  writer/speaker. Ãâ
> If the
> > >
> > > >  > unknown writer's or lecturer's identity is a mystery, then his
>  > > > > writings or talks can be evaluated on its content alone,  not on 
his
> > > > > name or reputation.
> > >  > >
> > > > > In the case of Adelante, we might assume  he may be following 
those
> > > > > rules and remaining  anonymous -- which is in total accord with
> HPB's
> > >  > > teachings, and was used by William Q. Judge in many of his
>  stories,
> > > > > lectures and articles. Ãâ His real name  only appeared on such 
works
> > >
> > > > >  after he died, when students published his writings and lectures.
> >  > > > Although, he did use his name on most of his books.
>  > > > >
> > > > > Judging by his postings, it's  apparent that S.T. Adelante is a
> > > > > student of HPB,  and respects those closest to her original
> teachings
> > >  > > and foundation of the original TS in America.
> > > >  >
> > > > > LHM.
> > > > >
> >  > > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 11/22/092:26 AM, MKR wrote:
> >  > > >
> > > > >> Who is this mysterious S T  Adelante?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Some  months ago, I received a email from one S T Adelante who is
>  the
> > > > >> administrator of a quaint website which is  supposed to address
> > > > >> theosophyÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs future.  In response I sent a email part of
> which I
> > >  quote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  ÃÂÃâÂÃ"I am not familiar with your name. I see you have an UK
>  email
> > > address
> > >
> > > >  >> and I suppose you are from that region. Which Lodge do you  
belong
> to
> > > > >> and what are your specific  areas of interest? Do you hold any
> offices
> > > >  >> in the TS?ÃÂÃâÂ
> > > > >>
> > >  > >> Adelante has not responded till today. I just read in a  short
> article
> > > > >> on Internet regarding  this personÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs identity. The 
article
> says
> > >  ÃÂÃâÂÃ"The
> > >
> > > > >> persons in charge  of Theosophy Forward do not say in their
> website who
> > >  > >> they are, contrary to what is usual. The website manager uses  
the
> > > > >> pseudonym ÃÂÃâÂÃ"ST AdelanteÃÂÃâ , and  when some people asked
> for the
> > > identity
> >  > > >> of the responsible of the website, the answer was:  ÃÂÃâÂÃ"It is
> not
> > > > >> necessary to know the  people who are in chargeÃÂÃâ ÃÂÃâÂÃ"ÃÂÃâ
Â
> .
> > >
>  > > > >>
> > > > >> This is really strange  coming from anyone interested in
> theosophy. The
> > > >  >> number of active theosophists worldwide is quite minuscule.  
Hence
> it
> > > > >> is impossible to hide  oneÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs identity unless they use a
> pseudonym. In
> >  >
> > > > >> the Internet forums, in the past, some  theosophists have used
> > > > >> pseudonyms to avoid  taking personal responsibility for their
> > > > >>  statements in Internet. But, in time, their identities were
>  discovered
> > > > >> to their public  embarrassment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  I did some research about the website. It is registered with one
>  Hans
> > > > >> Kind of Kind Internet Services in  Netherland as the 
administrative
> > > > >> contact. Late  last year, I got a confirmation that one Jan
> Nicolaas
> >  > > >> Kind was involved in it. Googling Kind and theosophy, one  comes
> across
> > > > >> Terezinha Franca Kind who  is a General Council member and one of
> the
> > > >  >> nominators of John Algeo in the last Presidential Election. It  
is
> my
> > > > >> understanding that he and  Terezinha are related.
> > > > >>
> > > >  >> The mystery is deepening. We do not know if Adelante is the
>  p_seudonym
>
> > > > >> of Jan or Terezinha or that  of some one else who dares not put
> his/her
> > > >  >> own real name. It is not uncommon for some people to protect
>  their
> > > > >> good name to operate either under a  pseudonym or use others as a
> > > > >> front. Any way  one day truth will come out and then we can all
> come to
> >  > > >> our own conclusions.
> > > >  >>
> > > > >> Anyone knows more about this  mysterious Adelante???
> > > > >>
> > > >  >> MKR
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  There is no religion higher than truth
> > > > >>
>  > > > >> visit www.theosophy. vi
> > > >  >>
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