Re: Theos-World Current Situation in TS
Nov 11, 2009 03:14 PM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Allow me a few views...
It is mainly due to ignorance in this Manvantara, that the poor idiots commit such crimes. Let us be compassionate - because theosophy is altrusim from top to bottom. We are all of us - the children of life - and the Divine which is within us all - wihin me, you, all members of this forum and all humans, whether small, big, fat, thin, sweet and bad etc. etc.
Atma=Brahman according to the theosophical teachings.
Evil is just a low vibration of good. What is good for some is bad for others.
An example: The little kid wants candy at the store. mummy says no. The child cries. Mother did not understnad that the child was very hungry, because Father had forgot to give it food. And the child could only communicate by crying.
First when we really know how ignorant we are, we know!
- - -
LIGHT ON THE PATH
"THESE rules are written for all disciples: Attend you to them.
Before the eyes can see, they must be incapable of tears. Before the ear can hear, it must have lost its sensitiveness. Before the voice can speak in the presence of the Masters it must have lost the power to wound. Before the soul can stand in the presence of the Masters its feet must be washed in the blood of the heart."
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/light.htm
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Thuan Do
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Situation in TS
I have a problem with the Brotherhood ideal. For example it's hard for me to see a murderer or a rapist as my brother!
Do Thi Thuan
http://anhduong.net
http://hoangvan.net
______________________________________Tieng Vo Thinh (58-100) Co 3 chan ly:
1. Linh hon con nguoi von bat tu va tuong lai cua no phat trien huy hoang khong bien gioi.
2. Nguyen ly sinh ra su song o noi chung ta va o ngoai chung ta, nguyen ly do khong khi nao chet, doi doi ban phuoc; no khong sao thay duoc, nghe duoc, cam giac duoc, nhung ke nao muon nhan thuc no se nhan thuc duoc.
3. Moi nguoi deu la nguoi lap luat le cho chinh minh mot cach tuyet doi, vua la nguoi ban phat su vinh quang hay su toi tam cho minh, vua la nguoi cam van mang minh, thuong, phat minh.
--- On Mon, 11/9/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Situation in TS
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:07 AM
TS had faced many crises in its history. Once Besant commented that the key
note of TS is Universal Brotherhood which was to be the great characteristic
of the Sixth Root Race and thus it was made the only condition for admission
into the Society. Good many people might come into it who would not hold on
through everything; they would be shaken out and those who would be able to
stand firm would remain. Since this was the real purpose of TS, the need for
giving the Society a tremendous shaking from time to time, thus shaking out
the people who could not steadfastly cling to the great ideal of
Brotherhood. Certain number of people come in, who, while they are attracted
by the ideal of Brotherhood, are not firmly rooted in it at all, who are
taken up with some other point, who look for some other purpose, and who are
therefore a weight on the Society and not a help. Also the Society went on
with renewed vigor after the shakeups.
Looking from the above point of view, we can easily understand what is
currently going on in the TS. While we can be sure that in the long run, TS
will flourish with vigor, we have to be vigilant and do what we can if we
believe in the key note of TS.
MKR
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Rose <fohatlife@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> I loved reading this! And am happy to see there are people who care about
> the true principles of which the TS was founded and are looking for ways to
> bring the needed reform about.
>
> I am a new member to this yahoo group, I have had a life long interest in
> Theosophy since a young teenager and its principles are dear to my heart. I
> am not a member of the Theosophical Society or any of its branches that
> have split off. I have often thought about joining one of them but have
> wanted to wait and gather more information about the situation going on with
> them.
>
> I have researched the original society's history and from reading Olcott's
> Diary leaves and the Mahatma letters to AP Sinnett and some of HPB's
> letters, I have gathered a sense of the urgent purpose for which it was
> founded and a sense of how great and useful its potential had hoped to be. I
> feel the Society has had far reaching effects and has done enormous good but
> is currently not living up to its full potential at this time, and has not
> for perhaps some time.
>
> Perhaps a cycle of renewal is approaching and if so members must take
> advantage of the opportunity to rally for the reforms they see as necessary
> for the Society to be a greater center of light to humanity, its members and
> the world. And with increased light will attract also once again the
> increased blessing of the Masters.
>
> -Rose
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, ramadoss226 <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: ramadoss226 <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Theos-World Current Situation in TS
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:08 AM
>
>
>
>
> Current Situation in TS
>
> WHAT A POTENTIAL MEMBER AND NEW MEMBER LOOKS FOR?
>
> When considering joining and becoming active in any organization, a
>
> potential and an existing new member researches at the objects,
>
> philosophy, leaders - present and past, and more importantly, its recent
>
> history. With modern tools, it is very easy to research such
>
> information. And this would lead to a decision by the potential
>
> candidate and new member. Let us look at some facts.
>
> OBJECTS AND MOTTO OF TS
>
> The key note of TS is Universal Brotherhood and the motto is There is No
>
> Religion Higher than Truth. Brotherhood and Truth are the two pillars on
>
> which the TS stands. This is backdrop from which everything relating to
>
> TS and its leaders have to be viewed.
>
> RECENT EVENTS
>
> The chronology and details of the events starting with nomination for
>
> the International President, election, the aftermath earth-shaking ultra
>
> secret attempt by a handful of leaders to seize control of the President
>
> and in turn control of the organization through backdoor
>
> disenfranchisement of members world-wide can be found on Internet by
>
> Binging or Googling. Let us look at some key elements in them.
>
> PLAYERS INVOLVED
>
> The nomination for the office of President is indirect by the General
>
> Council Members. While they are supposed to consult with their Section
>
> Boards, due to the secrecy surrounding the process no one knows how much
>
> consultation goes on the process. It is more reasonable to assume it is
>
> done according to the whims of the Section leaders.
>
> LONG TIME MEMBERS
>
> Historical facts demonstrate that no one can reach the position of head
>
> of a Section or nominated members of the General Council without being a
>
> long-time dedicated member including active participation in the
>
> unrelated organizations such as Co-Masonry, LCC and ES.
>
> 99% SURE THEY OCCUPY HIGH OFFICES IN THE OTHER THREE LEGS OF THE STOOL
>
> Most leaders also occupy high positions/offices in the three officially
>
> unconnected but interlinked organizations, Co-Masonry, LCC and ES. From
>
> a practical standpoint, we can even say that without achieving a high
>
> position in them, it is impossible to get elected to the top positions
>
> in the organization.
>
> ES
>
> ES has been called the heart of the TS. I have personally known some
>
> outstanding dedicated members whose devotion to the TS and practical
>
> application of Brotherhood that I admire.
>
> New members in due course find out about the existence of ES and its
>
> mission, even though scant details are available due it being a secret
>
> organization.
>
> KROTONA
>
> While talking about ES I think I need to mention about Krotona and its
>
> residents because most members do not know much about it and its
>
> residents because it is independent of TS.
>
> When Krotona was established by Besant, she stated that:
>
> +++
>
> The ownership is vested in the OH of ES through a Board of which OH is
>
> the President and the members belong to the Third Degree... There will
>
> be rooms and cottages, which can be rented to students and workers. They
>
> must be members of TS and ES.
>
> It is hoped that the work carried on at Krotona will create there a
>
> center of Peace and Strength, not only for the ES itself, but also for
>
> the whole TS in the USA and those who live there will remember that
>
> their lives are dedicated to the Service of the Hierarchy and through
>
> Its help to the Service of the Humanity. Hence they must be worthy of
>
> their high calling.
>
> +++
>
> Several well-known long time scholars, leaders and members reside there.
>
> When the nomination process started for the election and an attempt was
>
> made to defeat sitting president by distributing information which was
>
> untrue, and subsequently unsustained allegations were made against the
>
> Indian Section, and finally a clever backdoor ultra secret attempt was
>
> made to seize control of the President and thus the TS by
>
> disenfranchisement of members world-wide, there was a deafening silence
>
> from the scholars, leaders and members resident there. Even as simple
>
> ordinary members, when one sees actions going on hurting TS, one expects
>
> dedicated members to speak up without fear or favor. Members looking
>
> from outside at these scholars and leaders, are at a loss to understand
>
> what is going on and does not speak well at all either for the TS or
>
> these individuals.
>
> DUGPAS AND THEIR TECHNIQUE
>
> Those of us who are interested in the well-being of TS and its future
>
> need to understand the issue of Dugpas. It is well known that Dugpas
>
> have been behind all the troubles that TS ran into since its founding.
>
> Dugpas are very cunning and clever and hence do not resort to frontal
>
> attack. They find active members of TS and use glamour to reach their
>
> destructive objectives. Besant mentioned about this Glamour issue.
>
> Use of deluded surrogates is well known. In this age of Internet, it
>
> very likely that use of pseudonyms and disguises help pulling strings
>
> from the back. It is really pitiful that the deluded victims whose feel
>
> good about their apparent self-importance willingly oblige the Dugpas.
>
> DARING ATTEMPT TO SEIZE CONTROL THROUGH BACK DOOR
>
> Since the founding of the TS, the most daring ultra secret attempt to
>
> seize control of TS by a handful of General Council members by
>
> disenfranchising members world-wide, even a rookie member would not even
>
> dream of. I leave it to the reader to come to their own conclusion about
>
> the motivation of the players involved and the timing of the attempt and
>
> ultra secrecy surrounding it.
>
> WHOM WE CAN TRUST?
>
> All of the above leads us to the question whom we can trust? Those who
>
> want to disenfranchise us and seize the power, those who profess to work
>
> for brotherhood and the humanity but keep stony silence when the above
>
> activities were being perpetrated by long time leaders?
>
> CURRENT DISPUTES AND NON-UNITY
>
> The membership situation in countries outside India is in a sorry state
>
> of affairs. The leaders in these countries never talk about the this hot
>
> potato. Having thus failed at home, attempts are made to change the
>
> rules at Adyar arbitrarily in secrecy. None of the changes in Adyar
>
> after their candidate failing to get elected is going change anything at
>
> home as far as the growth of theosophy.
>
> The last meeting of the General Council clearly demonstrated the
>
> disunity and cleavage that exists as shown by voting pattern when we
>
> have never seen since the founding of TS. No one is willing to tell the
>
> world how they voted in a particular issue. Why? Because it is bound to
>
> hurt them personally and their credibility among members in their
>
> countries and world-wide.
>
> SECRECY AND EXPLOITATION OF SECRECY
>
> Too long, everything relating to the General Council deliberations and
>
> decisions is shrouded in greatest secrecy. TS is not a secret
>
> organization. But such secrecy allowed them to keep their national
>
> members in the dark. The events since last year has shown that lack of
>
> transparency is at the root cause of all the troubles of TS. Master KH
>
> warned Annie Besant how unnecessary secrecy has dealt a death blow to
>
> many organizations and I hope some one is paying some attention to his
>
> warning.
>
> In democratic institutions, the pitfalls of secrecy is well recognized
>
> and that is why these institutions demand activities to take place in
>
> the open and not behind closed doors. It is high time that we all wake
>
> up and open up at all levels of the TS. Failing which, we are in for
>
> more serious trouble in the days to come.
>
> NON-RECOGNITION AND INACTION TO QUICKLY BRING ABOUT UNITY
>
> Unity is essential for any constructive progress and well being of the
>
> society. One has first recognize the lack of unity to start working to
>
> bring about unity. I do not see any leader coming out with plans for
>
> quick action to bring about unity and thus help TS progress in the
>
> coming decades.
>
> DAMAGE - HOW FATAL AND HOW LONG IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO REBUILD TRUST
>
> A lot of long term damage has been done to TS by the events since the
>
> start of last year election. It continues because of the disunity that
>
> is obvious and the cleavage that exists in the General Council as shows
>
> by the divided voting tally in the approval of the GC members nominated
>
> by the president.
>
> INTERNET
>
> Partly due to much of leadership belonging to the octo and
>
> septuagenarian age group, there is no appreciation and understanding of
>
> the newest communication tool that the world has at its disposal. It is
>
> being avoided by the leadership and the sheepish and scared followers
>
> follow them. Instead of tapping into the power of Internet for multi-way
>
> interactive communication that Internet makes it feasible, and possible
>
> use of this tool to bring about unity world-wide, a great opportunity is
>
> missed. No wonder that even in developed countries outside India, this
>
> tool is not being used by the leadership and it is hurting the growth of
>
> TS.
>
> On the other hand, it has to be recognized that Internet played a very
>
> key role in preventing catastrophic developments in the TS due to the
>
> self serving moves by some members of the General Council. The
>
> irreversible disenfranchisement of members would have been a fait
>
> accompli but for the help of Internet maillists such as theos-talk,
>
> which are out side the control of the organization and its leaders. In
>
> addition, the permanent archiving of the messages and discussions on
>
> Internet provide very useful information for any newbee or a prospective
>
> candidate for membership. All one needs to do is either Google or Bing
>
> the topic.
>
> WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
>
> Symbolically, we can consider as if the house is on fire. We can just
>
> keep idle and let the house burn down and try to explore the Karmic
>
> causes which started the fire. That is not a very intelligent thing to
>
> do. Our normal reaction should be that we should do something about it,
>
> however little our efforts may be. All I can say is that members should
>
> spring into immediate action.
>
> WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MEMBER - NEW AND LONG TIME?
>
> What are the responsibilites of members, young and old, new and
>
> long-time, smart and dumb? Due to the democratic setup of the Sections,
>
> we all can call and write to our leaders that we are all upset about the
>
> current situation which was the result of actions and non-actions of the
>
> leaders and they need to wake up and start doing something radical and
>
> dramatic to draw the attention world-wide and attempt to bring about
>
> more unity world-wide. This can be done only if we cast aside our
>
> personal agenda and ambitions and self-interest and think of the welfare
>
> and future growth of TS. If enough of us wake up and do it, I am sure we
>
> will see results which would shock even the most pessimistic members.
>
> SILENCE AND COMING STORM.
>
> After the last GC meeting, apart from a few unsustained complaints and
>
> allegations from a few members, what we have seen is silence. We have no
>
> way of knowing what machinations are in the works behind the scenes and
>
> considering the past events and the key players involved and intents
>
> demonstrated by the past events, one has to be very vigilant because,
>
> any trust that members had in their leaders have been shattered after
>
> seeing how they secrectly tried to disenfranchise members and seize
>
> control through backdoor without telling any members.
>
> It is time for all of us put our heads together and do something about
>
> the dire situation TS is facing today. Being silent witnesses is not
>
> acceptable.
>
> MKR
>
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