Theos-Talk Archives (September 2009 Message tt00118)

Those days we did not have Internet. So the info ordinary members got were
crumbs and they had no knowledge of the tactics going on. You were lucky to
have been in the proximity of Wheaton, as I recall. The sorry fact is that
the divisions combined with the lack of information did not help TS. I think
it really hurt it. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

We are lucky that we have Internet today and few ordinary members who have
no axes too grind are able to talk openly without fear or favor and keep
members world wide informed. Transparency and democracy go hand in hand and
Internet helps transparency. I am sure oldtime politicians who grew up in
pre-internet environment and used the lack of transparency to hide their
actions are in a state of shock and do not know how to deal with the current
environment. I have heard behind the scene comments that some of us are
perhaps out of our mind!!! What else they can say? Now all politicians have
to be always fearful of their behind the scene tactics exposed next day on
Internet and probably embarrassed. No one who is unselfish and really
interested in theosophy need fear because their actions would be the same
whether behind the scenes or in the public.

Let us keep tuned....

By the way, some more books by Ross are in the works. I expect them to throw
interesting light on past events in TS.

MKR

There is no religion higher than truth.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:34 PM, charles cosimano <Drpsionic@aol.com>wrote:

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> To go into detail would be to reopen wounds best left closed but I changed
> sides in the Abbenhouse administration when I found out the tactics her
> opponents were using, especially after the second election.   It was an evil
> time.
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>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
> http://www.charlescosimano.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com <silva_cass%40yahoo.com>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 8:57 pm
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Some comments on how Internet is used by
> theosophists
>
> I don't disagree with you on her charming personality.  Obviously there was
> dissention in the ES at the time otherwise this decree would not have been
> aired.  The ES supposedly is the creme de la creme of theosophists yet they
> needed to be warned?
>
> Don't like the idea of marginalization - sounds like political correctness
> for isolation then excommunication?
>
> Cass
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> >
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> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
>
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 September, 2009 11:49:03 AM
>
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Some comments on how Internet is used by
> theosophists
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> >
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> >
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> >She was a very charismatic person and one with a very high personal
>
> >integrity. She was very highly respected both inside and outside the TS.
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> >
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> >The rules she was mentioning apply only to those who are members of ES. TS
>
> >members were/are quite free to vent their views without fear of
> retaliation.
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> >
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> >Even when action is to be taken against an individual member, usually it
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> >seems to be done by smooth marginalization.
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> >
>
> >Have we not seen it in the case of the member who ran against Dorothy
>
> >Abbenhouse for the top job in the US who happened to be not a native born
>
> >son.
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> >
>
> >May be other participants who know more details want to share the details
>
> >about the sad episode in the history of TSA.
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> >
>
> >mkr
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> >
>
> >There is no religion higher than truth
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> >
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> >On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
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> >
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> yeah well, by imposing her theosophical ideas she in effect was
> attacking
>
> >> HPB - it seemed she ruled with an iron rod when the iron rod was put
> into
>
> >> her hands?
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> >>
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> >> Cass
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> >> >
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> >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> >> >To: theos-talk <theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups. com>
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> >> >
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> >> >Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 1:42:24 PM
>
> >> >Subject: Theos-World Some comments on how Internet is used by
> theosophists
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> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> >I recently came upon a very interesting letter sent by Annie Besant to
>
> >> every
>
> >> >member of ES in June 1923. In it, she states:
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> >> >
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> >> >Anyone in the ES who takes part in any movement in the TS which tends
> to
>
> >> >cause trouble or stir up unfriendly feelings towards any member of the
> TS,
>
> >> >will be expelled from the School as soon as the fact comes to my
> notice; I
> 0A>> >shall accept no excuse as to good intentions. Anyone who wants to
> attack
>
> >> >another member, feeling it to be his duty, must resign from the School
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> >> >before making such attack.
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> >> >
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> >> >(pp. 53; Krotona Vol IV by Joseph Ross)
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> >> >
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> >> >In the 21st century, with the advent of Internet, we have seen some
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> >> >interesting pattern of action from theosophists to hide their hand from
>
> >> >their actions. With Besant's statement as the backdrop, let us look at
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> >> >them.
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> >> >
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> >> >1. A pattern of keeping silent, while surrogates do the work of making
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> >> >statements or raising issues with no substantive factual evidence.
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> >> >2. Use others as a front and distribute statements, which they
> themselves
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> >> >dare not to make. Those who end up as fronts feel good because they are
>
> >> made
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> >> >to appear scholarly, important and smart to the public.
>
> >> >3. A pattern of using pseudonyms to hide their real identity as well as
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> >> >avoid taking personal responsibility. Once the pseudonym users are
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> >> >questioned further about their identity, they get cold feet and
> disappear.
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> >> >These pseudonym users may be acting on their own and/or acting as catâs
>
> >> paws
>
> >> >of their controllers.
>
> >> >4. Use Wiki as a shield to protect anonymity. Post a statement or a
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> >> >comment on Wiki and extract it to distribute it and then go and delete
> it
>
> >> >from Wiki. Wiki has open access for editing and also allows anonymity
> of
>
> >> the
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> >> >editors. To the=2
> 0gullible, this may appear as a legit statement of facts.
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> >> >
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> >> >Another issue we have seen is that long term leaders, members and
> elders
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> >> >keep silent perhaps because of the political and other consequences of
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> >> >speaking their minds publicly. (Some times, it takes a great courage
> and
>
> >> >risk to speak the Truth. Many in the past have given their lives to
> speak
>
> >> >truth.) In today's TS, this may be as serious as losing their
> comfortable
>
> >> >room and board.
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> >> >
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> >> >So when there are serious issues and problems, such as those we have
> seen
>
> >> in
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> >> >the recent past, it falls on the lap of the ordinary novice members to
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> >> wake
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> >> >up and speak up.
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> >> >
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> >> >Whatever anyone thinks of the above issues, one thing is for sure. But
> for
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> >> >the Internet and a few dedicated ordinary members, TS today would be
> far
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> >> >different from what it is now and perhaps much dismembered.
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> >> >
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> >> >MKR
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