Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00549)

Perhaps then a need is there for an TS anti-corruption commission!  lol

Cass


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>From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@t-online.de>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, 1 August, 2009 4:44:23 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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>Folks, Boris de Zirkoff once wrote in a letter to Germany, that since 1907 
>no election at Adyar was real.
>I guess a copy of the letter is in the safe in Wheaton.
>Frank
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: preethi muthiah
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:29 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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>MKR,
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>This is just curiosity again, but why do I get the feeling that you are 
>purposefully taking attention away from the scenario at Adyar vis-a-vis the 
>corruption practised and endorsed by the President and her relatives to 
>things that happened much earlier than these revelations?
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>Please do forgive me if I am wrong, but are you working for someone at Adyar 
>who ensures that you talk against those who opposed the President during the 
>recent elections, so that too much attention is NOT focused on the corrupt 
>goings-on at Adyar?
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>I am just a curious member who observes certain things that the "messenger" 
>does...
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>Preethi
>--- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
>Subject: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 7:46 AM
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>In a statement put out several weeks ago on a quaint website, Betty Bland,
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>National President of Theosophical Society in America stated:
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>+++For example, the international presidential contest in 1980, when Radha
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>Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences of
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>opinion.+++
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>No one has heard of any complaints regarding the 1980 election, either from
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>Rukmini or her supporters inside TS or outside TS (there are many outside TS
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>due to her long time involvement in the revival of Indian Dance and her
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>activities for Animal Welfare in India).
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>So this was a great surprise to me and many members around the world because
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>we have never heard of this even in the gossip grape vine. Elected General
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>Secretaries of National Sections hold important and prestigious positions in
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>TS. Normally members highly regard and trust them. So anything they say or
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>put in writing is expected to be truthful and backed up with verifiable
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>facts.
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>Having made the statement, is it unreasonable for dues paying members to
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>expect details behind the statement. I wrote to Betty on June 3 inquiring
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>about it. To this day, there is no response.
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>When a theosophical leader heading the second largest TS section, makes such
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>statements, keeping silent only affects the opinion members have in their
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>leader and in turn reflects on TS. Since the motto of TS is There is no
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>religion higher than Truth, it also negatively affects the TS.
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>I hope we will hear from Betty soon. Continued silence cannot help her or
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>TSA.
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>MKR
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>visit www.theosophy. net
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>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, jasonsriram <jasonsriram@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> MK
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>> Maybe it is just a case of "see it happened before". However, I agree with
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>> your assessment that there was no case of claims of either electioneering 
>> or
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>> false or misleading statements from either party as I recall in 1980. In
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>> fact I was in Adyar in 1980 and have no recollection of rancour or ongoing
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>> spatting as is occurring now.
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>>
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>> In 1976 she (Rukmini) was nominated to be President of India, a post she
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>> declined. I spoke with her in 1981 about it and she stated she declined
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>> because she had "no interest in political life". So I really doubt that it
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>> was anything other that an unwanted result from a post she felt she was
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>> qualified for.
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>>
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>> If Betty can disclose more on the source of her information I would be 
>> very
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>> interested to know more on this.
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>>
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>> Jason
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>>
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>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, MKR
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>> <mkr777@...> wrote:
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>> >
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>> > Six weeks ago, Betty Bland, President (National Secretary) of TS in
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>> America,
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>> > in a cyberspace write-up stated:
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>> > .
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>> > +++
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>> > Although no one is contesting the outcome of the 2008 presidential
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>> election,
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>> > the problem remains that the machinations of the international elections
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>> are
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>> > unsound. For example, the international presidential contest in 1980,
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>> when
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>> > Radha Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences 
>> > of
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>> > opinion.
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>> > +++
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>> > .
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>> > The comments coming from the National Head of TS in America, is
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>> surprising
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>> > and need elaboration so that members can clearly understand the
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>> statement.
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>> > .
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>> > Dictionary defines machinations as:
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>> > .
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>> > ** a scheming or crafty action or artful design intended to accomplish
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>> some
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>> > usually evil end
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>> > .
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>> > When anyone holding a high position in a spiritual organization such as
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>> TS
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>> > makes such statements, I think members are owed an explanation backing 
>> > up
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>> > the statement.
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>> > .
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>> > The second comment about the 1980 election, is even more interesting. . I
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>> have
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>> > never seen any allegation from Rukmini Devi or her supporters inside TS
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>> or
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>> > outside TS about anything questionable about the 1980 election.
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>> > RukminiDevi, whose husband George
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>> > Arundale was President succeeding Annie Besant, is very widely known in
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>> > India and around the world due to her long active involvement in TS and
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>> her
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>> > other outside activities. If there was any problem whatsoever with the
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>> 1980
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>> > election, we would have heard them loud and clear soon after the
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>> election. I
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>> > have not heard of any allegation or complaint. I do not know what
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>> > information Betty Bland is privy to that ordinary members around the
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>> world
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>> > are ignorant of. When such public statements are made, it is not
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>> > unreasonable for members ask for substantiation.
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>> > .
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>> > Several weeks ago, I wrote an open letter to Betty requesting
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>> clarification.
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>> > We have not heard anything so far.
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>> > .
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>> > The above situation does not help anyone. Already, level of trust many
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>> > members have in the TS leaders is very low. This was the result of the
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>> > election campaign and post election ultra secret attempt by general
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>> council
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>> > members to disenfranchise members world-wide and seize the power to
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>> appoint
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>> > the president.
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>> > .
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>> > I hope soon we will get some response substantiating the above
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>> statements.
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>> > Due to the nature of the statements, by keeping silent, the questions
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>> > surrounding the statements, are not going to go away.
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>> > .
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>> > MKR
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>> > .
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>> > Visit www.theosophy. net
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