Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00547)

Folks, Boris de Zirkoff once wrote in a letter to Germany, that since 1907 
no election at Adyar was real.
I guess a copy of the letter is in the safe in Wheaton.
Frank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: preethi muthiah
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election


  MKR,

This is just curiosity again, but why do I get the feeling that you are 
purposefully taking attention away from the scenario at Adyar vis-a-vis the 
corruption practised and endorsed by the President and her relatives to 
things that happened much earlier than these revelations?

Please do forgive me if I am wrong, but are you working for someone at Adyar 
who ensures that you talk against those who opposed the President during the 
recent elections, so that too much attention is NOT focused on the corrupt 
goings-on at Adyar?

I am just a curious member who observes certain things that the "messenger" 
does...

Preethi
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:

From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 7:46 AM



In a statement put out several weeks ago on a quaint website, Betty Bland,

National President of Theosophical Society in America stated:

+++For example, the international presidential contest in 1980, when Radha

Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences of

opinion.+++

No one has heard of any complaints regarding the 1980 election, either from

Rukmini or her supporters inside TS or outside TS (there are many outside TS

due to her long time involvement in the revival of Indian Dance and her

activities for Animal Welfare in India).

So this was a great surprise to me and many members around the world because

we have never heard of this even in the gossip grape vine. Elected General

Secretaries of National Sections hold important and prestigious positions in

TS. Normally members highly regard and trust them. So anything they say or

put in writing is expected to be truthful and backed up with verifiable

facts.

Having made the statement, is it unreasonable for dues paying members to

expect details behind the statement. I wrote to Betty on June 3 inquiring

about it. To this day, there is no response.

When a theosophical leader heading the second largest TS section, makes such

statements, keeping silent only affects the opinion members have in their

leader and in turn reflects on TS. Since the motto of TS is There is no

religion higher than Truth, it also negatively affects the TS.

I hope we will hear from Betty soon. Continued silence cannot help her or

TSA.

MKR

visit www.theosophy. net

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, jasonsriram <jasonsriram@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

> MK

>

> Maybe it is just a case of "see it happened before". However, I agree with

> your assessment that there was no case of claims of either electioneering 
> or

> false or misleading statements from either party as I recall in 1980. In

> fact I was in Adyar in 1980 and have no recollection of rancour or ongoing

> spatting as is occurring now.

>

> In 1976 she (Rukmini) was nominated to be President of India, a post she

> declined. I spoke with her in 1981 about it and she stated she declined

> because she had "no interest in political life". So I really doubt that it

> was anything other that an unwanted result from a post she felt she was

> qualified for.

>

> If Betty can disclose more on the source of her information I would be 
> very

> interested to know more on this.

>

> Jason

>

> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, MKR

> <mkr777@...> wrote:

> >

> > Six weeks ago, Betty Bland, President (National Secretary) of TS in

> America,

> > in a cyberspace write-up stated:

> > .

> > +++

> > Although no one is contesting the outcome of the 2008 presidential

> election,

> > the problem remains that the machinations of the international elections

> are

> > unsound. For example, the international presidential contest in 1980,

> when

> > Radha Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences 
> > of

> > opinion.

> > +++

> > .

> > The comments coming from the National Head of TS in America, is

> surprising

> > and need elaboration so that members can clearly understand the

> statement.

> > .

> > Dictionary defines machinations as:

> > .

> > ** a scheming or crafty action or artful design intended to accomplish

> some

> > usually evil end

> > .

> > When anyone holding a high position in a spiritual organization such as

> TS

> > makes such statements, I think members are owed an explanation backing 
> > up

> > the statement.

> > .

> > The second comment about the 1980 election, is even more interesting.. I

> have

> > never seen any allegation from Rukmini Devi or her supporters inside TS

> or

> > outside TS about anything questionable about the 1980 election.

> > RukminiDevi, whose husband George

> > Arundale was President succeeding Annie Besant, is very widely known in

> > India and around the world due to her long active involvement in TS and

> her

> > other outside activities. If there was any problem whatsoever with the

> 1980

> > election, we would have heard them loud and clear soon after the

> election. I

> > have not heard of any allegation or complaint. I do not know what

> > information Betty Bland is privy to that ordinary members around the

> world

> > are ignorant of. When such public statements are made, it is not

> > unreasonable for members ask for substantiation.

> > .

> > Several weeks ago, I wrote an open letter to Betty requesting

> clarification.

> > We have not heard anything so far.

> > .

> > The above situation does not help anyone. Already, level of trust many

> > members have in the TS leaders is very low. This was the result of the

> > election campaign and post election ultra secret attempt by general

> council

> > members to disenfranchise members world-wide and seize the power to

> appoint

> > the president.

> > .

> > I hope soon we will get some response substantiating the above

> statements.

> > Due to the nature of the statements, by keeping silent, the questions

> > surrounding the statements, are not going to go away.

> > .

> > MKR

> > .

> > Visit www.theosophy. net

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

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