Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
Jul 13, 2009 09:38 PM
by Drpsionic
People are not very bright.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:12:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
Well they are not very bright if that is the case. Although Carl Sagan
proves your point - he came up with a lot of drivel but people liked him so
accepted his marijuanic visions and ideas.
Cass
>
>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) "
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
>Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 3:08:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>
>
>
>
>
>Well, nobility is not something I am usually accused of. But it really is
>simple practicality. What matters is the idea. When you let your ego get
>in the way and insist that you get the credit for it, people are reacting
>to you, not to the idea. If they like you, they will like the idea, not
>matter what the merits. If they dislike you, they will reject the idea,
no
>matter what its merits.
>
>Chuck the heretic
>
>
>In a message dated 7/12/2009 11:09:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>silva_cass@silva_cass@<WBR>yahoo.
>
>That's a very noble attitude coming from a heretic! I'm well impressed.
>
>Cass
>
>>
>>From: "_Drpsionic@From: "_Drpsionic@<WBR>aFrom: "_Drps
><_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic@<WB>
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:41:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>It really does not matter who claims to be the source. What matters is
>>that the idea is out there.
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 7/11/2009 9:21:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@ <WBR>yahoo.
>>
>>Until some other jerk steals our idea as his own!
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From: "_Drpsionic@ From: "_Drpsionic@ <WBR>aFrom: "_Drps
>><_Drpsionic@ _Drpsionic@ <WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic@ <WB>
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@
yahoog
>>>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:06:14 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>People heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
>>>
>>>Physical presence gets in the way of the teacher. It is much more
>>>efficient to simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let
>>people pick
>>>up on them. And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they
>>>think is their own rather than someone else's.
>>>
>>>Chuck the Heretic
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>Mvandertak@ Mvandertak@ <WBR>yahoo.
>>>
>>>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with
>>>being physically present?
>>>
>>>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@
>>global-thgl_
>>>(mailto:global- (mailto:global- <WBR>theos> wrote:
>>>
>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_
>>>(mailto:global- (mailto:global- <WBR>theosophy>
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@
yahoog
>>>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
>>>
>>>Chuck said:
>>>"I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
>>>identifiable
>>>agents altogether."
>>>
>>>Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
>>>Idries Shah has told clearly about it:
>>>____http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/) _
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(http://www.katinkah/) _
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>>sufi-shah. html)
>>>
>>>The truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are
>important.
>>>Most New Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are
only
>>>average human beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing
>else.
>>>A tree is known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating
>>>people to believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that
>>emotional
>>>excitement is the spiritual highest.
>>>
>>>- - - - - - -
>>>
>>>Idries Shah said:
>>>"I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient
>>>outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or
his
>>wish to
>>>have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru.
>>>
>>>I got all that out of my system very early and, consistent with Sufi
>>>[theosophical] tradition, I believe that those who don't want to teach
>>are the
>>>ones who can and should. The West still has a vocation hang-up and has
>>not
>>>yet discovered this. Here, the only recognized achiever is an
obsessive.
>>In
>>>the East we believe that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't
>>>necessarily the best one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake
>>very bad
>>>cookies. "
>>>......
>>>"Their followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers.
>I
>>>just don't regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a
>sort
>>>of psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and
>polarized
>>>around him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
>>>......
>>>"Why shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood
>>>psychotherapy" - the community looking after its own? However, why it
>>should be
>>>called a spiritual activity rather baffles me."
>>>.......
>>>"Some are frankly phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They
>>>think that I am one, too, so when we meet they begin the most
disturbing
>>>conversations. They want to know how I get money, how I control people,
>>and so
>>>on."
>>>......
>>>"They actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing,
>>and
>>>they feel better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I
always
>
>>>tell them that I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru
>>role
>>>in their own minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good
>>>social service."
>>>
>>>- - -
>>>The question is if the above words are what the beginners at TS Adyar
or
>>>other theosophical groups are greeted with???
>>>
>>>M. Sufilight
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@ From: _Drpsion
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@
yahoog
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>>
>>>Hmmm, let's see. Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have
>>>had him for lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the
>energies
>>>of
>>>the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I
>>>would want to learn.
>>>
>>>I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
>>identifiable
>>>agents altogether.
>>>
>>>Chuck the Heretic
>>>
>>>In a message dated 7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva_ _silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mai
>>>
>>>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their actions rather
>>>than their words? If this is the case one could argue that Gandhi and
>>>Mother
>>>Theresa were world teachers.
>>>
>>>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can walk behind them.
>>>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way to being his/her own
>>world
>>>teacher.
>>>
>>>Cass
>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: "__Drpsionic@ aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@ From: "__Drp
>>>(mailto:_(mailto:_<WBR>Drpsioni (mai< WBR< WBR>@aol. (mailto:_Drpsionic
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>>>(mailto:_(mailto:_<WBR>Drpsioni (mai< WBR< WBR>@aol. (mailto:_Drpsion>
>>>>To: _theos-talk@ To: _theos-talTo: _theos-_theos- talk@yahoogrothe
>os-t_
>>>(mailto:theos- (mailto:theos- <WBR>talk@ yahoo
>>>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>>>Subject: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok. The World Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist
>>have
>>>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie
>>>and
>>>>the Bishop's hats.
>>>>
>>>>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be
>>>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his
>lifetime.
>>>The
>>>>Buddha was just another local nutcase and Jesus got himself killed. So
>>>>this business about finding out who the next "World Teacher" was going
>>to
>>>be
>>>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next
>>>Michael
>>>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before he can appear) and all the
>>>fuss
>>>>over whether it was Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron
>>>>Hubbard is missing the point.
>>>>
>>>>We can ignore crooks like Sai Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for
>the
>>
>>>>moment.
>>>>
>>>>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would not have to
>>>>appear in public at all. He could be totally obscure, sitting in his
>>>living
>>>>room, watching reruns of old game shows on cable, an putting the
>>>information
>>>>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without
>>them
>>>>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas as it
>>>were,
>>>>came from any source other than their own minds. The techniques are
>>>>certainly simple enough. Anyone can master them in a few days. Which
is
>>>why the
>>>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else
>>>>cannot do and probably are.
>>>>
>>>>It is obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth
>>>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to
>>understand
>>>how
>>>>information can be spread. It is from a mindset locked into archaic
and
>>>>fundamentally clumsy means of communication, voice, the written word,
>>>personal
>>>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one
>wonders
>>>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in
>>>retrospect,
>>>>seem to have been masters of much of anything but falling off their
>>>flying
>>>>carpets, would not have realized that.
>>>>
>>>>The search is a waste of time and energy. If there really is a world
>>>>teacher running around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no
>>>desire to
>>>>be public. That would just get in the way and be a distraction.
>>>>
>>>>It is time to face reality and forget all the nonsense that has been
>>>>written in the past by people who either did not know what they were
>>>talking
>>>>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>Chuck the heretic
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