Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00132)

Well beam me up Scottie - I would like to know how to access it?

Cass


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>From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:56:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>Oh dear. I have to put on my mad scientist hat and be Uncle Chuckie for a 
>moment.
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>The important thing to understand is that there are no secrets. I mean 
>that quite literally. The moment something is known, the consciousness that 
>knows it automatically puts that information out in the ether, as it were. 
>(The whole mechanism is a bit complicted for an email but Dean Radin has 
>done some very good work describing it.) That information can then be 
>accessed by literally anyone with relatively little effort. Anyone who has any 
>experience at all in meditation can grab just about anything.
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>What that means in practical terms, and one uses the term "practical" in 
>reference to anything involving the ES with some tons of salt, is that the 
>supposed "occult secrets" are no more secret than the evening news. The 
>very concept is absurd. The Dugpas do not have to infiltrate anything unless 
>they are looking for a good laugh. They have total access to everything 
>that they could want to know and more.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:49:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
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>Depending on their level they would probably be aware of this knowledge - 
>e.g. let's say, Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then succumed 
>to vain glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would have a 
>fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters. 
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>If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a dugpa was 
>operating through the TS there most likely avenue of mischief would be to 
>cause misinformation on the teachings, the main aim being to cause a lack of 
>credibility of those teachings.
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>IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more disharmony these dugpas create 
>the more energy they have to work with, however, I believe they are limited 
>in these powers and should humanity turn the corner in compassion and 
>understanding they would have nothing to work with. As far as a war in heaven 
>between the white brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe, will 
>never occur, they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in order to 
>work with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change 
>our thinking and turn away from materialism. Although I do not mean by this 
>that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls! lol
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>Cass
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>>From: robert_b_macd <_robert.b.macdonald @robert.b. ma_ 
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>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the information 
>released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
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>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
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>>> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary 
>act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge will 
>not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been 
>certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, that 
>if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could be 
>used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one cannot surround the truth 
>in parable or allegory.
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>>> Cass
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>>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" 
><robert.b.macdonald @...> wrote:
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>>> >> Dear Anand,
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>>> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the 
>higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words "So 
>Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and 
>occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to 
>sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many 
>lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
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>>> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow 
>Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or Masters. 
>Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many lifetimes?
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>>> >You wrote:
>>> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from 
>your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you 
>either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it 
>takes." 
>>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he would 
>be trying again if he fails?
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>>> >You wrote:
>>> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for 
>a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, and 
>the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
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>>> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One 
>can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself or 
>send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep 
>secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>>> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric Section. 
>Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
>>> >Best
>>> >Anand Gholap
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