Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00051)

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Cass, MKR, et.al.,

My interests in theosophy are not who are "the powers and powers to be"
but the importance of the four kingdoms, love from the perspective of
the theosophists, treatment of all living things, where we go when we
go, the importance of Christ to theosophists, healing, beginnings and
endings, eternity, the Godhead, Spirit of Truth, shedding the
materialistic shell, what is really important in life, the environment -
how can we make it better, the logos, growth of the earth spiritually,
etc.. Anyone game? ;-)

Eric S. Dye

Cass Silva wrote:
> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge will not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons.   There have been certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, that if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could be used to destroy humanity.  I guess in science one cannot surround the truth in parable or allegory.
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> Cass
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>> From: Anand <AnandGholap@gmail.com>
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>> Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald @...> wrote:
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>>> Dear Anand,
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>>> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words "So Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
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>> Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or Masters. Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many lifetimes?
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>> You wrote:
>> "The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes." 
>> How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he would be trying again if he fails?
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>> You wrote:
>>> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, and the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
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>> You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself or send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>> Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric Section. Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
>> Best
>> Anand Gholap
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Our deeper understanding leads us to another kind of power, a power that
loves
life in every form that it appears, a power that does not judge what it
encounters, a power that perceives meaningfulness and purpose in the
smallest
details upon the Earth.   p.26

Our deeper understanding tells us that a truly evolved being is one that
values
others more than it values itself, and that values love more than it
values the
physical world and what is in it.  p.21

- From  Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav.
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