Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00040)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:
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> Dear Anand,
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> I missed answering one question that you had.  You asked where the higher self comes into this pledge.  The pledge is ended with the words "So Help Me, My Higher Self."  The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes.  It is a serious pledge.
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Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or Masters. Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many lifetimes?

You wrote:
"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes." 
How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently)", when he would be trying again if he fails?

You wrote:
> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, and the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
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You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself or send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric Section. Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
Best
Anand Gholap