Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
Jun 30, 2009 09:17 PM
by Drpsionic
Theosophists aren't supposed to be devout. We leave that to the religious
folk.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 6/30/2009 8:20:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
On a different subject, I can see how a truly devout theosophist would find
themselves in a dilemma of conscience. The dilemma of exposing the
truth, as they see it, and at the same time, judging other's actions. However,
HPB nor the Masters ever exhibited such a dilemma
"He who would lift up high the banner of mysticism and proclaim its reign
near at hand, must give the example to others. He must be the first to
change his modes of life; and regarding the study of the occult mysteries as
the upper step in the ladder of Knowledge must loudly proclaim it such
despite exact science and the opposition of the society." The Kingdom of Heaven
is obtained by force, say the Christian mystics. It is but armed hand,
and ready to either conquer or perish that the modern mystic can hope to
achieve his object.
and
"His letter that you will soon read is, as I say to himself, "a monument
of pride and unconscious selfishness." He is too just and superior a man to
be guilty of petty vanities; but his pride climbs like that of the
mythical Lucifer, and, you may believe me - if I have any experience in human
nature - when I say, that this is Hume - au naturel.
Cass
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>From: "_Augoeides-222@Augoeides-2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@comcast.net) "
<_Augoeides-222@Augoeides-2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@comcast.net) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
>Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 4:16:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>Cass,
>Thanks, it is ok for you to be sarcastic. I guess you can tell I wasn't
be sarcastic! Lol.
>John
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@silva_cass>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:14:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>I was being sarcastic John.
>Cass
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>>From: preethi muthiah < seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com >
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 7:51:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>>Referring to Keith's comment about spiritual forces taking over, I think
if that is happening it is the best thing that could happen to the TS
today, because after all the TS is a spiritual organization that has been made
materialistic by a materialistic President like Radha Burnier. Fear is a
materialistic emotion. Corruption a materialistic act. Gossip materialistic
speech. And since Mrs RSB is so good at inciting these in the atmosphere of
Adyar and the TS, I suppose it is high time that spiritual forces took over
the purge Adyar, first of all, of all the materialism.
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>>Preethi
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>>--- On Mon, 29/6/09, Augoeides-222@ comcast.net <Augoeides-222@
comcast.net> wrote:
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>>From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net <Augoeides-222@ comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Date: Monday, 29 June, 2009, 9:52 AM
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>>Cass,
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>>In a pigs eye! When hell freezes over! lol! having toosed out the only
solitary Agent of the Brotherhood on her ass without means or notice and
having told the Solitary Agent of the Brotherhood that she was no longer
welcome on that soil of Adyar who in their right mind could beleive that the
Mahatma's and the Hierarchy would remain for a single second?
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>>John
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>>----- Original Message -----
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>>From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>
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>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:31:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
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>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>>Perhaps Adyar is getting ready to announce that the Masters have
returned to Adyar????
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>>lol
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>>Cass
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>>>From: robertapimenta26 < robertapimenta26@ yahoo.com >
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 7:28:09 AM
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>>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>>>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher,
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>>>Your very bold statements have made a deep impression on me, and the
rest of the (theosophical) world.
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>>>I respect you, hold no grievances against you and although we've never
met, I am certain that you are a good and honest man.
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>>>Am very intrigued about your remark concerning 'the spiritual forces
taking control of the situation' though. Next to that, you really puzzle me
with this 'head on the block', phrase, mine, probably be next.
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>>>Is it possible that your head was there first of all, I mean before
Mrs.. Preethi's or mine, because you really seem to have lost yours...
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>>>Unfortunately, if that is not enough, you want me to return to Spain to
'fight bulls'. *(???)
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>>>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher, I haven't got a clue what you are talking
about....(?? ? ?)
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>>>Roberta
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>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ ..." <exsecy@...>
wrote:
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>>>> Dear Roberta
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>>>> It would be nice to think that you wasn't misinformed, Adyar needs
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>>>> to be purged of all those who are prejudice or hold a grudge against
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>>>> the duly elected President before regeneration can start. However,
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>>>> spiritual forces seem to be taking control of the situation now.
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>>>> Sadly, Preethi has placed her own head on the block and you will
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>>>> probably be next, you could go back to Spain and fight a few bulls!
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>>>> I wish you well
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>>>> Keith
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>>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26"
<robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
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>>>> > Dear Mr. Fisher,
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>>>> > Good to hear from you. Time will tell, Mr. Fisher, only time will
tell if I was totally misinformed.
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>>>> > Roberta
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>>>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ " <exsecy@>
wrote:
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>>>> > > Dear Roberta
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>>>> > > Although you are claiming to be a non-member, you seem
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>>>> > > to have knowledge not only of the Adyar TS and estate, but
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>>>> > > also the ES and Co-M as well. However, I think you have
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>>>> > > been totally misinformed on both of the points you have raised,
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>>>> > > in the six months I was at Adyar, until the end of February this
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>>>> > > year, I witnessed an enormous amount of maintenance being
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>>>> > > carried out on the estate.
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>>>> > > Large buildings like the Blavatsky Bungalow and the
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>>>> > > Administration Building had been completely renovated with
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>>>> > > new roofing and toilet facilities. Many of the other smaller
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>>>> > > buildings were in the process of renovation or repairs and the
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>>>> > > General Manager was run off his feet trying to keep up with
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>>>> > > the work of overseeing the contractors.
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>>>> > > There was also major works being undertaken by the Garden
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>>>> > > Department, mechanization had started to be introduced and
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>>>> > > vast areas of scrub had been cleared, the coconut palms had
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>>>> > > been mulched with crushed coconut husks and drip watering
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>>>> > > systems were being installed. Although this is an extensive
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>>>> > > estate the Garden Department seemed to be gradually making
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>>>> > > improvements throughout the compound, and the whole of the
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>>>> > > estate was visibly greatly improved.
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>>>> > > On your second point, although I worked closely with the
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>>>> > > President for six months I was never aware of any secret
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>>>> > > attempt to `do away with' any member who was prejudice
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>>>> > > against her. In fact it was quite the opposite, out of the three
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>>>> > > Adyar workers who interfered with the Presidential election
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>>>> > > by having the audacity to write a letter to the General Council
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>>>> > > members advising them that the President was not fit and
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>>>> > > should not be nominated, only one of them was asked to leave.
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>>>> > > Another of the workers left of her own volition eight months
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>>>> > > later, and one of them is still allowed to be a resident on the
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>>>> > > Adyar estate, enjoying spacious, private accommodation at a
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>>>> > > near peppercorn rental, in a tranquil setting amid beautiful
trees
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>>>> > > and tropical greenery, backing onto the Adyar river.
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>>>> > > I would think this is a good indication of the President's grace,
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>>>> > > and her compassion for those who have plotted against her.
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>>>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26"
<robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
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>>>> > > > Dear Mr. Rozman,
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>>>> > > > The silence from the International President (Adyar) is
significant, but not surprising. Some individuals are doing the talking for her,
like Mr. Pedro Oliveira, who according to some messages I received is
travelling through Europe at the moment. There are alarming stories going round
and they point to two main issues: 1) the adminstration of the Adyar estate
itself, the contribution of Mrs. Preethi was an example and 2) a secret
attempt by the International President to do away with all those who believe
that she cannot fulfil her office as International President any longer.
Mind you, these are, for as far as I am concerned only rumours, don't want to
speculate, but does any of you contributors know more about this?
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>>>> > > > Roberta
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>>>> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman"
<anton_rozman@ > wrote:
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>>>> > > > > We are all missing the "word of the President", addressing
this critical situation, proposing solutions, indicating the way out. Is not
this silence possibly crying out that maybe she is not in a position to
speak on her own any more?
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>>>> > > > > Best regards,
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>>>> > > > > Anton
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>>>> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ >
wrote:
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>>>> > > > > > I don't hear any cries of helplessness coming from Ms
Burnier unless of course she is hoping that the bad publicity will go away?
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>>>> > > > > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ >
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>>>> > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, 21 June, 2009 2:45:39 PM
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>>>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>>> > > > > > >Dear Cass,
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>>>> > > > > > >Every patient wants to be cured. Resistance is just sign
of deep helplessness and is actually cry for help. The only remedy is truth
of facts which can be very painful, so that some would rather die than
expose it. But in this situation we are all patients and we can cure ourselves
only with mutual help and humility. No one is above the situation, no one
is without guilt. We all allowed it to happen, some more and some less. We
are all in the same boat.
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>>>> > > > > > >Best regards,
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>>>> > > > > > >Anton
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>>>> > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva
<silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
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>>>> > > > > > >> Anton, the patient must want to be cured before any
healing can take place!
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>>>> > > > > > >> >From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...>
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>>>> > > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 6:29:35 PM
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Hi MKR,
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>>>> > > > > > >> >If i could put it more appropriately cleansing is
needed overall, but instead of harping on about the "secret disenfranchising
attempt made by some of the General Secretaries -- which i understand was just
a suggestion rather than a finalized move -- one needs to look at the
reasons why this suggestion was even thought about". In treating a disease, one
can either look at the symptoms or at the root cause.
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>>>> > > > > > >> >If you start looking at the root cause of this whole
problem you will, willy-nilly, trace it back to the ineffective leadership of
the current international president (which she has been over the past 29
years), Mrs Radha Burnier and the policies she uses to "rule".
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>>>> > > > > > >> >One will also notice, if one is perceptive, that the
attempt from Mrs Burnier's lobbyists has always been to look at the symptoms
and focus attention there, rather than to look at the root cause of this
whole division in the TS.
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>>>> > > > > > >> >One can then look at some of these things deeply and
question them or ponder over them: (a) What is all this fear doing in an
organization that has altruism as its ideal; (b) Why does the leader of this
organization initiate gossip and why has she never thought about the
deep-seated effects this kind of behaviour will generate among members; (c) One
would expect the head of a spiritual organization to have insight into human
nature. Why has this aspect of Mrs Burnier never found expression even
though opportunities for this insight and resultant understanding were present
throughout her career as president of the TS, including during the elections
and its aftermath? and (d) since we are all supposed to be intelligent,
thinking, rational individuals, why, even when the corruption rampant in
Adyar is brought to everyone's attention, are we allowing Mrs Burnier to rule
our hearts and minds?
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>>>> > > > > > >> >--- On Sat, 20/6/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
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>>>> > > > > > >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 1:16 AM
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Cleansing is needed more urgently in the West, IMHO.
Have we forgotten last
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>>>> > > > > > >> >year's failed ultra secret attempt to disenfranchise
all of us and handdful
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>>>> > > > > > >> >of GC members seize power to "appoint" the president,
thus make the
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>>>> > > > > > >> >Visit www.theosophy. net
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>>>> > > > > > >> >On 6/16/09, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@
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>>>> > > > > > >> >> Am glad we are looking into cleansing here. Cleansing
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>>>> > > > > > >> >> especially its heart, Adyar, requires today...and it
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>>>> > > > > > >> >> the cleansing... We members of the Theosophical
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