Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00585)

Dear Mr. Ramadoss, 

You are very kind! I already introduced myself sufficiently when I first started contributing. I'd like to stick with that. I am travelling at the moment, so not much time. 
Roberta  

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Roberta:
> -
> One more thing I forgot to add.
> -
> Your are very knowledgeable about TS matters and we all appreciate your
> insightful and sharp analysis and critique of the topics discussed here. How
> I wish you were a participant from the start of last year's election.
> -
> Many here would like you to share with us info about yourself and how you
> got to know of TS etc.
> -
> As for myself, I am an ordinary member and I live in San Antonio, Texas and
> if you are in this area, you are welcome to visit with me. Of course I have
> this open invitation to anyone and everyone, known and unknown and my doors
> are always open.
> -
> Mucho gracias
> -
> MKR
> -
> Visit theosophy.net and enjoy all activities.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> robertapimenta26@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Ramadoss: please consider the following, only consider it, yes?
> >
> > Who were those three doctors you are always referring to? Do you know them?
> > The question is clear: were all of them they really objective? Like it or
> > not, this is a legitimate question, it needs to be investigated, before you
> > can come to any type of conclusion.
> >
> > From all that is available on the Net, again this is NOT a secret, we know
> > for example that one of the doctors who stated that Mr. Radha Burnier was in
> > perfect health, a long standing and highly regarded member of the TS, is
> > known as a passionate supporter of hers. Now, mind you, there is nothing
> > wrong with passionately supporting the International President, but the
> > question we should all ask ourselves is: 'was this medical doctor the ideal
> > doctor to present an objective analyzes?'
> >
> > The two other doctors were Indian doctors, if am not mistaken. Here the
> > question should be raised , IF there was any doubt regarding the President's
> > health, who initiated these medical exams. If it was the President herself
> > who requested them, which is likely, we need to know if these doctors had a
> > professional or a personal relationship with her. How do we know, they were
> > independent or not? This is crucial, again like it or not, because we need
> > to know if those two exams were carried out, professionally, objectively,
> > and independently, yes? The reality is that we don't know if they really
> > were independent, very simple.
> >
> > Since this was such a hot topic, from what I read last year, this problem
> > could have been easily solved if the International President would have been
> > examined by doctors who would have had NO link with either the TS or Mrs.
> > Radha Burnier herself.
> >
> > Now, Mr. Ramadoss do not start screaming at once, just think about it, it
> > would help you and me, and all who are trying to discover the truth so much!
> >
> > I am sorry, but I must also ask you to consider this: you do your 'secret
> > attempt to disenfranchise members' act again. The secret plots against the
> > International President etc. etc. Has it ever occured to you, that perhaps
> > you could be wrong here? I have been reading this site since last year and I
> > have browsed at Mr. Rozman's site quite often, so this is what I have
> > concluded:
> >
> > A very unfortunate PROPOSAL,(I agree, it wasn't good!) was sent to all
> > members of the GC, yes? It was a proposal Mr. Ramadoss, and a proposal is
> > always subject to a vote, correct? It is apparently not uncommon that
> > members of the GC exchange ideas or proposals since this body only meets
> > once per year. Sending a proposal to other GC members I cannot describe as
> > being ultra secretive move, so here I must disagree with you.
> >
> > Suddenly, out of the blue this unfortunate proposal, remember we are
> > talking about a PROPOSAL, appears on the Net, here on theostalk. That is odd
> > isn't it?
> >
> > Ask yourself: Who did this? Is it possible that this confidental message
> > was intercepted by a third party, and distributed by that same third party?
> > Was it done to serve the cause we all stand for, or was it done to add to
> > the confusion that already existed, putting oil on the fire perhaps...??
> >
> > To avoid all this, in the future, members of the GC must seriously consider
> > to publically announce proposals for changes in the Rules and Regulations,
> > in their magazines or on their sites for example, so that no
> > misunderstanding or mishandling of this type of information can take place.
> >
> > I am only asking you to think, and to consider, to find out for
> > yourself.....
> >
> > Roberta
> >
> > ps. Will bring my laptop whilst travelling, so hopefully I can visit this
> > site once in a while!!
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I need to elaborate my comments about no one from Krotona having spoken
> > > about the developments since the start of the nomination process and
> > > developments subsequent to the election.
> > > -
> > > There are two key events that I feel members, especially long-time ones,
> > > everywhere should have commented on.
> > > -
> > > First is the lay men's and women's claim that Radha Burnier is sick both
> > > physically and mentally, which was shot down by professional opinions of
> > > three independent physicians, one a highly regarded long-time member of
> > TS
> > > and Secretary of a Section. The second one and a serious critical one, is
> > > the ultra secret attempt to quickly disenfranchise members world-wide and
> > GC
> > > members seizing the power to appoint the president, in spite of they
> > already
> > > having the monopoly of nominating the candidates. The latter one would
> > have
> > > been a fait accompli but for the good luck of TS and its members and help
> > > from theos-talk in making members learn about the secret move. (Mind you,
> > > even long term members and volunteers at Adyar and other national centers
> > > did not know about it and found out from theos-talk.) In such situations,
> > > normally a quick apology would be forth coming and I have not seen any
> > > todate. If this had happened in Japan, the proponents would have left for
> > > the astral world.
> > > -
> > > Members in Krotona could have spoken on the above events in support of
> > Radha
> > > Burnier and TS. But no one did. We know for sure, many residents at
> > Krotona
> > > use internet and could have posted messages here for free. What were they
> > > afraid of? It does not make logical sense to ordinary members like me.
> > May
> > > be someone who has knowledge about the inner workings of TS can enlighten
> > > all of us.
> > > -
> > > MKR
> > > -
> > > Visit theosophy.net and enjoy the activities
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:55 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > > robertapimenta26@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Anand,
> > > >
> > > > The power of the Outer Head in the ES is absolute. This body is not
> > > > democratic or transparent. The Outer Head can expel anyone from the ES
> > at
> > > > any moment in time, without any explanation given. Be aware that this
> > is not
> > > > a secret, there is sufficient literature available about this subject.
> > > >
> > > > In a presidential election process, as took place last year in the
> > Adyar
> > > > group, I believe that 'officially' ES members were free to choose their
> > > > candidate, but that in practice many ES members felt, or were told by
> > their
> > > > warden that voting for Mr. John Algeo would show disloyalty and
> > disrespect
> > > > to the Outer Head of the ES, Mrs. Radha Burnier. This means that the
> > Outer
> > > > Head of the ES, is able to have a great, or a decisive influence, on
> > the
> > > > outcome of a presidential election in the TS. I mentioned this last
> > week as
> > > > well: there is evidence available that ES members, who were in doubt
> > about
> > > > the physical or mental condition of the International President, were
> > told,
> > > > that if they had such doubts, they should step out of the ES.
> > > >
> > > > One other thing came to my mind when I read again Mr. Ramadoss'
> > repeated
> > > > remarks about the silence from those respected theosophists at a center
> > like
> > > > Krotona in the USA. The Outer Head of the ES is also the head of that
> > > > center, and all those who live there, all ES members, do so by the
> > grace of
> > > > Mrs. Radha Burnier. Taking the above in consideration, it is not so
> > > > difficult to imagine why they're not making any comments, yes? They
> > take the
> > > > risk of being expelled from the center if they'd do anything which is
> > not in
> > > > accordance with the wishes and policies of Mrs. Radha Burnier, yes?
> > > >
> > > > Think about this!
> > > >
> > > > Later on today, I will set out for a long trip, so I won't be able to
> > > > contribute much in the next weeks, but as football trainers tell their
> > > > players, I say to you all: Keep pour eyes on the ball!!!
> > > >
> > > > Roberta
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The presidential elections in Theosophical Society are conducted
> > through
> > > > secrete ballot. So others may not know for which presidential candidate
> > a
> > > > person votes. But in many Theosophical lodges elections don't happen
> > through
> > > > secrete ballot. So everyone knows for whom a member votes.
> > > > > If an ES warden is running for the office, which they generally do,
> > then
> > > > how can an ES member under him vote against the ES warden, when he
> > knows
> > > > that this warden can expel that member from ES?
> > > > > Not only that, how can a member of the lodge or a managing committee
> > of
> > > > the lodge challenge any proposal supported by an ES warden, when he
> > knows
> > > > that this warden can expel him from the ES?
> > > > > Similarly, how can anybody in the General Council challenge any
> > proposal
> > > > supported by the Outer Head of ES, when he knows he can be expelled by
> > this
> > > > Outer Head of ES?
> > > > > Anand Gholap
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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