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Re: Theos-World Re: The Esoteric School Lobby

Jun 25, 2009 12:24 PM
by MKR


Hi, Roberta:
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One more thing I forgot to add.
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Your are very knowledgeable about TS matters and we all appreciate your
insightful and sharp analysis and critique of the topics discussed here. How
I wish you were a participant from the start of last year's election.
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Many here would like you to share with us info about yourself and how you
got to know of TS etc.
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As for myself, I am an ordinary member and I live in San Antonio, Texas and
if you are in this area, you are welcome to visit with me. Of course I have
this open invitation to anyone and everyone, known and unknown and my doors
are always open.
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Mucho gracias
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MKR
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Visit www.theosophy.net and enjoy all activities.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, robertapimenta26 <
robertapimenta26@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Ramadoss: please consider the following, only consider it, yes?
>
> Who were those three doctors you are always referring to? Do you know them?
> The question is clear: were all of them they really objective? Like it or
> not, this is a legitimate question, it needs to be investigated, before you
> can come to any type of conclusion.
>
> From all that is available on the Net, again this is NOT a secret, we know
> for example that one of the doctors who stated that Mr. Radha Burnier was in
> perfect health, a long standing and highly regarded member of the TS, is
> known as a passionate supporter of hers. Now, mind you, there is nothing
> wrong with passionately supporting the International President, but the
> question we should all ask ourselves is: 'was this medical doctor the ideal
> doctor to present an objective analyzes?'
>
> The two other doctors were Indian doctors, if am not mistaken. Here the
> question should be raised , IF there was any doubt regarding the President's
> health, who initiated these medical exams. If it was the President herself
> who requested them, which is likely, we need to know if these doctors had a
> professional or a personal relationship with her. How do we know, they were
> independent or not? This is crucial, again like it or not, because we need
> to know if those two exams were carried out, professionally, objectively,
> and independently, yes? The reality is that we don't know if they really
> were independent, very simple.
>
> Since this was such a hot topic, from what I read last year, this problem
> could have been easily solved if the International President would have been
> examined by doctors who would have had NO link with either the TS or Mrs.
> Radha Burnier herself.
>
> Now, Mr. Ramadoss do not start screaming at once, just think about it, it
> would help you and me, and all who are trying to discover the truth so much!
>
> I am sorry, but I must also ask you to consider this: you do your 'secret
> attempt to disenfranchise members' act again. The secret plots against the
> International President etc. etc. Has it ever occured to you, that perhaps
> you could be wrong here? I have been reading this site since last year and I
> have browsed at Mr. Rozman's site quite often, so this is what I have
> concluded:
>
> A very unfortunate PROPOSAL,(I agree, it wasn't good!) was sent to all
> members of the GC, yes? It was a proposal Mr. Ramadoss, and a proposal is
> always subject to a vote, correct? It is apparently not uncommon that
> members of the GC exchange ideas or proposals since this body only meets
> once per year. Sending a proposal to other GC members I cannot describe as
> being ultra secretive move, so here I must disagree with you.
>
> Suddenly, out of the blue this unfortunate proposal, remember we are
> talking about a PROPOSAL, appears on the Net, here on theostalk. That is odd
> isn't it?
>
> Ask yourself: Who did this? Is it possible that this confidental message
> was intercepted by a third party, and distributed by that same third party?
> Was it done to serve the cause we all stand for, or was it done to add to
> the confusion that already existed, putting oil on the fire perhaps...??
>
> To avoid all this, in the future, members of the GC must seriously consider
> to publically announce proposals for changes in the Rules and Regulations,
> in their magazines or on their sites for example, so that no
> misunderstanding or mishandling of this type of information can take place.
>
> I am only asking you to think, and to consider, to find out for
> yourself.....
>
> Roberta
>
> ps. Will bring my laptop whilst travelling, so hopefully I can visit this
> site once in a while!!
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > I need to elaborate my comments about no one from Krotona having spoken
> > about the developments since the start of the nomination process and
> > developments subsequent to the election.
> > -
> > There are two key events that I feel members, especially long-time ones,
> > everywhere should have commented on.
> > -
> > First is the lay men's and women's claim that Radha Burnier is sick both
> > physically and mentally, which was shot down by professional opinions of
> > three independent physicians, one a highly regarded long-time member of
> TS
> > and Secretary of a Section. The second one and a serious critical one, is
> > the ultra secret attempt to quickly disenfranchise members world-wide and
> GC
> > members seizing the power to appoint the president, in spite of they
> already
> > having the monopoly of nominating the candidates. The latter one would
> have
> > been a fait accompli but for the good luck of TS and its members and help
> > from theos-talk in making members learn about the secret move. (Mind you,
> > even long term members and volunteers at Adyar and other national centers
> > did not know about it and found out from theos-talk.) In such situations,
> > normally a quick apology would be forth coming and I have not seen any
> > todate. If this had happened in Japan, the proponents would have left for
> > the astral world.
> > -
> > Members in Krotona could have spoken on the above events in support of
> Radha
> > Burnier and TS. But no one did. We know for sure, many residents at
> Krotona
> > use internet and could have posted messages here for free. What were they
> > afraid of? It does not make logical sense to ordinary members like me.
> May
> > be someone who has knowledge about the inner workings of TS can enlighten
> > all of us.
> > -
> > MKR
> > -
> > Visit www.theosophy.net and enjoy the activities
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:55 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > robertapimenta26@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Anand,
> > >
> > > The power of the Outer Head in the ES is absolute. This body is not
> > > democratic or transparent. The Outer Head can expel anyone from the ES
> at
> > > any moment in time, without any explanation given. Be aware that this
> is not
> > > a secret, there is sufficient literature available about this subject.
> > >
> > > In a presidential election process, as took place last year in the
> Adyar
> > > group, I believe that 'officially' ES members were free to choose their
> > > candidate, but that in practice many ES members felt, or were told by
> their
> > > warden that voting for Mr. John Algeo would show disloyalty and
> disrespect
> > > to the Outer Head of the ES, Mrs. Radha Burnier. This means that the
> Outer
> > > Head of the ES, is able to have a great, or a decisive influence, on
> the
> > > outcome of a presidential election in the TS. I mentioned this last
> week as
> > > well: there is evidence available that ES members, who were in doubt
> about
> > > the physical or mental condition of the International President, were
> told,
> > > that if they had such doubts, they should step out of the ES.
> > >
> > > One other thing came to my mind when I read again Mr. Ramadoss'
> repeated
> > > remarks about the silence from those respected theosophists at a center
> like
> > > Krotona in the USA. The Outer Head of the ES is also the head of that
> > > center, and all those who live there, all ES members, do so by the
> grace of
> > > Mrs. Radha Burnier. Taking the above in consideration, it is not so
> > > difficult to imagine why they're not making any comments, yes? They
> take the
> > > risk of being expelled from the center if they'd do anything which is
> not in
> > > accordance with the wishes and policies of Mrs. Radha Burnier, yes?
> > >
> > > Think about this!
> > >
> > > Later on today, I will set out for a long trip, so I won't be able to
> > > contribute much in the next weeks, but as football trainers tell their
> > > players, I say to you all: Keep pour eyes on the ball!!!
> > >
> > > Roberta
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The presidential elections in Theosophical Society are conducted
> through
> > > secrete ballot. So others may not know for which presidential candidate
> a
> > > person votes. But in many Theosophical lodges elections don't happen
> through
> > > secrete ballot. So everyone knows for whom a member votes.
> > > > If an ES warden is running for the office, which they generally do,
> then
> > > how can an ES member under him vote against the ES warden, when he
> knows
> > > that this warden can expel that member from ES?
> > > > Not only that, how can a member of the lodge or a managing committee
> of
> > > the lodge challenge any proposal supported by an ES warden, when he
> knows
> > > that this warden can expel him from the ES?
> > > > Similarly, how can anybody in the General Council challenge any
> proposal
> > > supported by the Outer Head of ES, when he knows he can be expelled by
> this
> > > Outer Head of ES?
> > > > Anand Gholap
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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>


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