Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00461)

A few views...

So we could ask:
Is it really a healthy activity to wote for a leader in an such an international body OR perhaps any international body, which are designed to promulgate something as important as the theosophical teachings, the wisdom teachings of all ages?

Is it more healthy for form ones own nucleus or ones own center?
Like attracts like, and of course sometimes not.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:34 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: The Esoteric School Lobby





  Indian members did not vote for John Algeo because they have never seen John Algeo in their entire lives. Even when John Algeo was Vice President, as far as I know, he never had any lecture tour in India. 
  Indian members have neither heard about John Algeo, nor have they seen him. 
  On the contrary, Indian members have seen Mrs. Radha Burnier many times. So it was natural that Indian members would vote for Mrs. Burnier.
  It was perhaps political mistake on the part of John that he ignored the fact that Indian members are most powerful in deciding who will be the President of TS.

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
  >
  > Another thing is when a person is expelled from ES, he can lose his office in outer TS also. Besant said ES controls TS. 
  > That means, before questioning the outer head, person must be ready to sacrifice not just his ES membership, but also office in TS. Are there such brave and self sacrificing people in TS?
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Dear Roberta,
  > > If you read Blavatsky's ES pledge, there is a threat of expulsion if command of the Outer Head are not obeyed. So, it is most likely that members of ES keep silence because they don't want to be expelled from ES, masonry etc. Most officers in TS are also members of ES. That should show why there is silent obedience.
  > > You wrote "You are from beautiful India yourself, and as I wrote to you some time ago, I have lived there too! So you, out of all people, should know that in your culture and tradition, people find it extremely difficult to come out ito the open, to step forward, in particular when it is about questioning or correcting an authority. Hierarchies (there is another word for that system) are still very much installed in Indian society"
  > > I don't think this observation is correct. In India, there were very few times when national government could survive full term. Here elected party in parliament is supposed to rule for 5 years. But most governments were made to fall in shorter than that time. That means people are not afraid of challenging ruling party. Here people don't fear laws, government and authorities as much as people fear in other countries. There has always been intense criticism of ruling parties, governments in all media. So, I would say that people in India don't fear to challenge government or authorities.
  > > They have elected dynasties many times. But it is not because of fear, it is just their preference. 
  > > In TS silence and obedience exist because most officers in TS are in ES and masonry. It appears that they fear expulsion from ES and that might be the reason why officers whether in India or abroad don't challenge the President. 
  > > In last year's election John Algeo challenged Mrs. Burnier, but it was exceptional case. 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Dear Mr. Ramadoss,
  > > > 
  > > > You are from beautiful India yourself, and as I wrote to you some time ago, I have lived there too! So you, out of all people, should know that in your culture and tradition, people find it extremely difficult to come out ito the open, to step forward, in particular when it is about questioning or correcting an authority. Hierarchies (there is another word for that system) are still very much installed in Indian society, I am sure you're aware of that. So it is not surprising some are afraid, and hide behind anonimity.
  > > > 
  > > > Concerning Mr. Keith Fisher from Australia, Mr Ramadoss, I only wished you were a little more prudent. I fully agree with you, he has been forthright, Aussies would refer to him as ' a fair dinkum bloke', but have you really and thoroughly studied his clarifications? Have you really...? 
  > > > 
  > > > Roberta
  > > > 
  > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Anton:
  > > > > .
  > > > > I the past, Keith has been forthright and the clarifications he has been
  > > > > providing were accurate and I have no reason to doubt that his clarification
  > > > > on this issue is not true. Also, we are dealing with a statement from an
  > > > > anonymous visitor, and I wonder why anyone should hide in anonymity when
  > > > > they are dealing with truth.
  > > > > .
  > > > > I do not know if you will get a response from Sundaram. It is not unusual
  > > > > for even dues paying members not getting replies from their own elected
  > > > > national leaders.
  > > > > .
  > > > > In another conversation, you mentioned that in Slovenia your TS membership
  > > > > was deleted because you did not pay the dues. It might help if rejoin
  > > > > and become a dues paying member of TS as it would give you better standing
  > > > > in our ongoing discussions relating to TS-Adyar matters.
  > > > > .
  > > > > MKR
  > > > > .
  > > > > Visit theosophy.net
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > On 6/20/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@> wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Dear Ramadoss,
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I think it is premature to make any conclusions. At this point we have just
  > > > > > two conflicting statements regarding the exact wording in the original
  > > > > > document - an embarrassing situation by itself. Let's see if I will get a
  > > > > > reply or/and a copy of the document from Mr. S. Sundaram.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Best regards,
  > > > > > Anton
  > > > > >
  > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
  > > > > > <mkr777@> wrote:
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > At least the Indian Section formally adopted a resolution and reported
  > > > > > it.
  > > > > > > -
  > > > > > > I have not seen any such in the American Section. I learnt of the
  > > > > > > nominations only when I received the electioneering letter from Betty
  > > > > > > alleging that Radha is sick and supporting voting for John.
  > > > > > > -
  > > > > > > May be American Section does the nomination differently.
  > > > > > > -
  > > > > > > Any one wants to clear the mystery.
  > > > > > > -
  > > > > > > MKR
  > > > > > > -
  > > > > > > Visit theosophy.net
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM, keith_fisher@
  > > > > > > <exsecy@>wrote:
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > One word has been altered from the original text.
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > I can confirm that the actual wording in the report was as follows:
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > "Council unanimously resolved that the Indian Section will
  > > > > > > > nominate Mrs. Radha Burnier for the International President
  > > > > > > > of the Theosophical Society for the next term of 7 years."
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > It is normal procedure for each General Secretary to consult
  > > > > > > > with the National Council Members in their own country on
  > > > > > > > who should be nominated for President
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > Each General Secretary is allowed to make three nominations.
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > Best wishes
  > > > > > > > Keith
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
  > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
  > > > > > > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
  > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
  > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anton
  > > > > > > > Rozman" <anton_rozman@> wrote:
  > > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,
  > > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > > It seems that this message to vote Radha Burnier was extended also
  > > > > > to
  > > > > > > > the rest of membership at least in one case as an anonymous visitor of
  > > > > > my
  > > > > > > > web site sent me a notice that in the latest Annual Report of the
  > > > > > Indian
  > > > > > > > Section the General Secretary reported that "Council unanimously
  > > > > > resolved
  > > > > > > > that the Indian Section will support Mrs. Radha Burnier for the
  > > > > > > > International President of the Theosophical Society for the next term
  > > > > > of 7
  > > > > > > > years."
  > > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > > Till now I wasn't able to get confirmation of the correctness of
  > > > > > this
  > > > > > > > passage from some other source therefore I wonder if there is anyone on
  > > > > > this
  > > > > > > > list who can do this for us.
  > > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > This annual report has not reached me.
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