Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00439)

"There is no organization higher than Truth."

I agree. Maybe I have been misunderstanding you all along.

And, I say there are lower kinds of organizations working on the seven planes of spiritual development. These groups are some of them spiritual, because they lead towards Liberation. 

HPB wrote:
"ENQUIRER. But why could not a man of well-balanced mind and singleness of purpose, one, say, of indomitable energy and perseverance, become an Occultist and even an Adept if he works alone? 
THEOSOPHIST. He may; but there are ten thousand chances against one that he will fail."

(The Key to Theosophy, p. 21) http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

So a certain kind of organization seem to be the best idea.
Maybe I have been misunderstanding you: But you original statement seed to be saying, that the Devil to take hold of such an organization when it is formed?

One thing I will agree on is, that if one is not careful, such an organization will sooner or later create a Karmic Circle, which need to be broken else the organization will take a wrong turn.



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Meredith 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency





  Morten, my friend,

  You certainly know better than me what your views are. 

  These are my views: The world can be organized in many different ways--as can the word. You have accepted The Law of Karma as an explanation within your world-view and so it is no wonder that it is organizing the world as you see it. Others may refer to a similar organizing principle as God, or Nature, or Chance. It makes no sense to me to capitalized your REAL as if to say that it is something above and beyond my real. 

  Groups can be organized. I never said differently. People can be organized into groups. This is obvious. The Truth however is not exclusive to this group or that people. This doctrine or that dogma. This saint or that philosopher. This theosophist or that teacher. Truth cannot be organized in such a way that it becomes exclusive. Truth is inclusive -- Always inclusive. There is no organization higher than Truth.

  --bill 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Morten Nymann Olesen 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency

  Dear Bill

  My views are:
  I perceive, that we define the term "REAL spiritual organization" differently.
  The Law of Karma is organizing the world even if you would like it not to do so!

  Those groups, which seek to perform their work in accordance with this law are bound to work together. They will also work in groups within groups, within perhaps many groups. When they work together - using multi-communication seeking Liberation you instead, call them followers of the devil as far as I understand your words.
  If so, I disagree.

  Those who seek liberation are doing their best. And that is allright according to ParaBrahm and the visdom teachings. It is those who turn their backs on working together with people, who are the evil ones.

  Yet, I agree on that only being 99.9% good is indeed very bad and quite unfortunate.
  :-)

  - - -
  No matter how a person is performing he or she lives at least partly with a condtioned mind in this physical world and also the astral as well as the mental worlds. When one becomes a Master one controls ones conditioning. That is my view.

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Meredith 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency

  <So you want to dis-organize everything and throw the White Lodge into the trashcan?>

  Many attempts have been made to form a nucleus of universal brotherhood. Perhaps a lodge is one such attempt. An e-mail group might be another. A network yet another. A theosophical society still another. A church? (perhaps a Unitarian Universalist Church?) --a liberal catholic church? a political party? maybe libertarian? All of these appear to be attempts to organize people into loyalists for a particular piece of truth--the piece the original founder picked up.
  What is most often lost in these organizations is the individual spirit of adventure and inquisitive nature that caused the the original founder to go looking for truth in the first place. Organizational adherents are made into comfortable followers and finally into believers in a piece of folk-lore. 

  I believe an organization can exist to foster an environment for individually directed truth seeking --one that makes "original founders" of every member. Such an organization will have no creed or dogma . It will have no leaders and hence no followers. It will be a group of brothers and sisters who inquire insatiably after truth and challenge each other relentlessly not to rest comfortably in yesterday's version of truth. 

  <I hold it to be true, that there are ordinary organizations and there are those who call themselves spiritual organizations and there are REAL spiritual organizations .>

  You are personally free to cling to that truth your whole life. 

  I believe that truth is a matter of personal discernment and that to organize it is to capture, limit and disguise a piece of it--and eventually to perpetuate that piece as a myth totally absent of the vitality of the living truth. 

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