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Theos-World Re: Adyar estate

Jun 15, 2009 09:58 PM
by Anton Rozman


Dear Ramadoss,

Your question was: "I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally meet with and talk to the current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based on my experience, complex and complicated and contentious situations are amenable to solution in a one-on-one setting."

I gave you one practical example to show you how things work, why GS avoids such discussions and that there are centers of power asserting their private interests - usually with the violation of the by-laws and their proceedings - at the expense of the interests of the Theosophical Society, that they are actually working against the interests of the Theosophical Society. And this is for sure a problem, the central problem.

Best regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
>  I still could not understand the real problem.
> 
> If the TS in Slovenia did not want a website in the manner you suggested,
> that is their problem. You, as an individual is free to setup a site and who
> is to make a judgement on it.
> 
> We have seen independent websites dealing with theosophy and TS. Also we
> have this maillist which is not part of TS. If anyone in the organizational
> structure does not like it, it is their problem.
> 
> .
> 
> MKR
> 
> .
> 
> Visit www.theosophy.net for more on theosophy.
> 
> 
> On 6/15/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Ramadoss,
> >
> > Dusan and Breda Zagar were close friends with Anton Jesse and to some
> > extend with me too but when new GS took over the office in 1995 they slowly
> > moved off from him. Let's say that they change their "political"
> > orientation. So, as I usually attend public lectures when some guest arrives
> > in Slovenia, we courteously exchange few words as private persons, any
> > discussion in his formal capacity as GS is avoided.
> >
> > Now let's take an example of formal relations: when Geo Duguay, late GS of
> > the Canadian Theosophical Association, began to help me to create the web
> > site I thought that this should be also the web site of the TS in Slovenia.
> > When I proposed this to Dusan as the GS of the TS in Slovenia it was
> > rejected. Then Geo wrote a letter to Dusan proposing two other options: that
> > there could be two separated web sites but hosted on the same server and
> > even completely separated and hosted on two different servers. Anyway the
> > offer was frankly rejected and there was launched more than odd campaign
> > within the TS in Slovenia that they prefer "live internet" - being person to
> > person interaction - than a web site. Can any reasonable person understand
> > this?
> >
> > But the explanation is that it is the Executive Committee which actually
> > makes decisions as according to society's by-laws GS is only one member of
> > this body and public representative of the Society. And as head of lodges
> > keep ex-officio seat in the EC although not being elected on any elections
> > they are real power behind the scenes and GS can not make any decision or
> > take any concrete move without confirmation from the part of these persons.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear what has happened in the past.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally meet with and talk to
> > the
> > > current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based on my experience,
> > complex
> > > and complicated and contentious situations are amenable to solution in a
> > > one-on-one setting. Even if in such a setting, the resolution is still
> > not
> > > satisfactory, then we can seek help of several long-time well known
> > leaders
> > > within the TS to help sort out the issues.
> > >
> > > My 0.02
> > >
> > > MKR
> > > Visit thosophical community at www.theosophy.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear friends,
> > > >
> > > > I really don't want to enter too much into detail. When I was member of
> > the
> > > > TS in Slovenia I tried to call attention of the Society's bodies on the
> > > > existing problems and inconsistencies and to propose solutions. My
> > strivings
> > > > were ignored and presented as my personal agenda. Later on I addressed
> > these
> > > > issues on formal level in a series of articles on the history of the TS
> > in
> > > > former Yugoslavia and Slovenia which can be found on my web site.
> > > >
> > > > In general these problems are usually related to the assertion of
> > private
> > > > interests at the expense of the common interest of the Society. Their
> > local
> > > > particularities in Slovenia can be summarized as resulting from
> > smallness of
> > > > groups, from heritage of totalitarian political system and from poor
> > > > application of constitutional proceedings and declarations on freedom
> > of
> > > > thought and freedom of the Society. Lodges are close groups with
> > practically
> > > > no public work and presence.
> > > >
> > > > I never ceased to seek collaboration with the TS in Slovenia and to
> > > > establish normal human relationships but all the attempts are still
> > ignored.
> > > > This surrealistic situation can be possibly understood only in the
> > light of
> > > > events related to the decay of the TS in former Yugoslavia. Although I
> > > > didn't participate in them I was later on collaborator of the late GS
> > of the
> > > > TS in Slovenia, Anton Jesse, who's role in the history of the
> > theosophical
> > > > movement in our area tend to be purposely put into oblivion although it
> > was
> > > > he who actually did most to keep theosophical flame alive through WW II
> > and
> > > > through the totalitarian period.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore words dugpa and dugpa victim should be normally understood
> > only
> > > > in the context of my previous message to Ramadoss.
> > > >
> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes this happens in some lodges even in the US and India.
> > > > > Even here in San Antonio, years ago, we used to meet in member's
> > homes
> > > > and
> > > > > apartments. But public lectures are always held in a public place.
> > > > > It would be interesting to find out the situation in Slovenia.
> > > > > MKR
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > > > > robertapimenta26@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quite interesting this remark by Mr. Anand. Meetings at private
> > > > > > appartments, and only a select group to be present? Doesn't sound
> > very
> > > > > > transparent to me. What is going on there? That's worthwhile
> > > > investigating.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roberta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > > > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is for local members only; and probably because they still
> > see
> > > > me as
> > > > > > dugpa victim or even dugpa itself,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do they think you are a dugpa or it's victim?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >while Pedro probably doesn't have any wish to meet me. But the
> > major
> > > > > > problem is probably that that Lodge meets at Lodge head's private
> > > > > > appartment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why doesn't Pedro wish to meet you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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