I fully understand your take on the word leader and can empaphise
with your regarding the leaders you speak of but i would prefer to
call these people you mention dictators at best and imperilaists at
worst. Regarding the goal or aim of Theosophy one would have to
consider the direct relation that Maitryea and the Master have with
Theosophy. Maitreya is depicted by many prevelent Theosophist past
and present as the world teacher that will help the world realise
the theosphical movement. When this time arises i am sure the world
at large will lable this being a leader amongst many other titles.
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 10:59 PM
But you can understand why the expression Leader is a turn
of to
those who lived from say 1944 to now.
I was born in 1944 and the Great leader of Germany was still alive.
Many millions, at least 20 million people died as a result of this
great leader. What is the death count of World War Two.
Twenty million is just the lower number. Mosty likely the number
is higher.
Then there is the Great Leader, Stalin, and Mao of China.
I will not follow any Great Leader, be it Christ, Hitler, Stalin,
Mao or even Maitreya.
Theosophy is not a cult, requiring a great leader.
Henry B. Ellak
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:46 PM
I work as a team leader. My role is to help my team in my company
objectives. To lead and teach are not worlds apart. As a team
leader i would take on any reccomendations or reservations with
equal interest. If a member of my team has an issue i will help
them work through as my role is to lead my team. A teacher also
leads however the way he/she adminsters information may change. In
my opinion there have been both great teachers and great leaders as
there has been many negative teachers and negative leaders. Is it
not really a matter of perspective?
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 8:38 PM
And do not forget, many Germans saw the Love flowing from
Hitler. Hitler had
Love for the German people and the people, or at least a great many
did, see
love coming from Hitler.
All this talk of waiting for a Great Leader to come and lead the
people, I find this
idea wrong.
Do you mean perhaps a great teacher? People can say no to a teacher
without being punished for it. Many who said No, to the great leader,
Hitler, were put to death. Is this what you want your Great Leader
to do?
I think it is a very scary idea, this idea of following a great
Leader. Sounds
like 1984 by G. Orwell, or perhaps "Brave New World" of Huxley.
Henry B. Ellak
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:47 AM
Dear friends and Antonio
My views are:
Now I might misunderstand, and if so bear with me.
Because your use of words are to me quite illogical in the below
quotes.
Antonio wrote:
"When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following
context and not a physical death, however this eventuality may
become a reality also!"
No. My Knowledge says something else.
And I am not assuming about this.
All Universe sprang from ParaBrahm and returns to ParaBrahm.
There is nothing but ParaBrahm. And we know this is the truth.
Talking about "non-existence" in the sense you forwarded it, I find
to be wrong.
Remember you said in the previous e-mail:
"I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that
do not see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader
will utterly perish into non-existence. "
The question would be if those who disbelieved Krishna or Jesus
Christ was non-existent or "dead" as you put it?
We do not say, that a tree, which is not seeing love, because it is
a tree, that it is "non-existent" or "dead". Do we?
Yet we know a tree on its fruits.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
I speak of the time when the world leader arrives to greet
humanity. A process will begin in which good and evil will finally
be seperated. Those that fail to take on the benevolent teachings
of the world teacher will fall to the waste side. Those that adhear
to his teachings will move forward in their spiritual evolution.
This is what i meant by what i said and by no means was a personal
attack on any individual, simply an accumilated perspective based
on the the knowledge of end time prophecies i have digested over time.
When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following
context and not a physical death, however this eventuality may
become a reality also!
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It
is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion
is a stranger,who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in
awe, is as good as dead." Albert Einstein
Peace and blessings
Antonio.
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 2:02 AM
I can only say, that I have no leader, and """"I will not utterly
perish into non-existence" ""!
Antonio. are you really saying, that myself and others, who do
not have a leader,
will utterly perish into non-existence? I may be reading you
wrong as I have been
away from this list for a while.
However, I do not believe in the leader principle, I have no
leader and I am 64 years old.
I have not perished into non-existence by not having a leader.
end Henry B. Ellak
--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:43 PM
I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that
do not see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader
will utterly perish into non-existence.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 10:37 PM
Dear friends
My views are:
"People are always looking for leaders; that does not mean that
this is the time for a leader. The problems that a leader would be
able to resolve have not been identified. Nor does the clamor mean
that those who cry out are suitable followers. Most of the people
who demand a leader seem to have some baby's idea of what a leader
should do. The idea that a leader will walk in and we will all
recognize him and follow him and everybody will be happy strikes me
as a strangely immature atavism. Most of these people, I believe,
want not a leader but excitement. I doubt that those who cry the
loudest would obey a leader if there was one. Talk is cheap, and a
lot of the talk comes from millions of old washerwomen. " (Idries
Shah)
The Law of Karma is not bending it self down in front of ignorance.
M. Sufilight
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