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Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw

Jun 09, 2009 05:56 PM
by Leon Maurer


If I were that world teacher who brings the final scientific PROOF of Gupta Vidya that helps the world realize the truths of theosophy -- why would I even consider being their leader?

Wouldn't that proof be enough to enable them to lead themselves?

If not, then what would be the value of that teaching? Just to preach what has already been taught in the Secret Doctrine, and by many previous great souls, including Plato, Buddha and Lap Tse -- would not be enough.

So, Only when the self professed Maitreya brings that Proof -- will I or any other true theosophist believe he is the real thing.

But, even then, I doubt if such a thoughtful intellect could have the qualities of such a world leader -- since that requires a dominating ego that is also completely experienced in the way the world economy works now, and how to change it to reverse the damage it has caused.

How could he be sure that all those he would have to rely on to oversee those vast problems, would not use their share of power of such global leadership to their own advantage?

Leon



On Jun 9, 2009, at 6/9/096:16 PM, Antonio wrote:

I fully understand your take on the word leader and can empaphise with your regarding the leaders you speak of but i would prefer to call these people you mention dictators at best and imperilaists at worst. Regarding the goal or aim of Theosophy one would have to consider the direct relation that Maitryea and the Master have with Theosophy. Maitreya is depicted by many prevelent Theosophist past and present as the world teacher that will help the world realise the theosphical movement. When this time arises i am sure the world at large will lable this being a leader amongst many other titles.



--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 10:59 PM

















But you can understand why the expression Leader is a turn of to

those who lived from say 1944 to now.



I was born in 1944 and the Great leader of Germany was still alive.

Many millions, at least 20 million people died as a result of this

great leader.  What is the death count of World War Two.

Twenty million is just the lower number.  Mosty likely the number

is higher.

Then there is the Great Leader, Stalin, and Mao of China.



I will not follow any Great Leader, be it Christ, Hitler, Stalin, Mao or even Maitreya.

Theosophy is not a cult, requiring a great leader.

Henry B. Ellak



--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:



From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>

Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:46 PM



I work as a team leader. My role is to help my team in my company objectives. To lead and teach are not worlds apart. As a team leader i would take on any reccomendations or reservations with equal interest. If a member of my team has an issue i will help them work through as my role is to lead my team. A teacher also leads however the way he/she adminsters information may change. In my opinion there have been both great teachers and great leaders as there has been many negative teachers and negative leaders. Is it not really a matter of perspective?



--- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 8:38 PM













And do not forget, many Germans saw the Love flowing from Hitler. Hitler had



Love for the German people and the people, or at least a great many did, see



love coming from Hitler.



All this talk of waiting for a Great Leader to come and lead the people, I find this



idea wrong.



Do you mean perhaps a great teacher?  People can say no to a teacher



without being punished for it.  Many who said No, to the great leader,



Hitler, were put to death. Is this what you want your Great Leader to do?



I think it is a very scary idea, this idea of following a great Leader. Sounds



like 1984 by G. Orwell, or perhaps  "Brave New World" of Huxley.



Henry B. Ellak



--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:



From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>



Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw



To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:47 AM



Dear friends and Antonio



My views are:



Now I might misunderstand, and if so bear with me.



Because your use of words are to me quite illogical in the below quotes.



Antonio wrote:



"When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following context and not a physical death, however this eventuality may become a reality also!"



No. My Knowledge says something else.



And I am not assuming about this.



All Universe sprang from ParaBrahm and returns to ParaBrahm.



There is nothing but ParaBrahm. And we know this is the truth.



Talking about "non-existence" in the sense you forwarded it, I find to be wrong.



Remember you said in the previous e-mail:



"I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that do not see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader will utterly perish into non-existence. "



The question would be if those who disbelieved Krishna or Jesus Christ was non-existent or "dead" as you put it?



We do not say, that a tree, which is not seeing love, because it is a tree, that it is "non-existent" or "dead". Do we?



Yet we know a tree on its fruits.



M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message -----



  From: Antonio



  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



  Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:27 AM



  Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw



I speak of the time when the world leader arrives to greet humanity. A process will begin in which good and evil will finally be seperated. Those that fail to take on the benevolent teachings of the world teacher will fall to the waste side. Those that adhear to his teachings will move forward in their spiritual evolution. This is what i meant by what i said and by no means was a personal attack on any individual, simply an accumilated perspective based on the the knowledge of end time prophecies i have digested over time.



When i said non-existence i meant it inline of the following context and not a physical death, however this eventuality may become a reality also!



"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger,who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as good as dead." Albert Einstein



  Peace and blessings



  Antonio.



  --- On Tue, 9/6/09, Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com> wrote:



  From: Henry B. Ellak <henrybellak@ yahoo.com>



  Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw



  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



  Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 2:02 AM



I can only say, that I have no leader, and """"I will not utterly perish into non-existence" ""!



Antonio. are you really saying, that myself and others, who do not have a leader,



will utterly perish into non-existence? I may be reading you wrong as I have been



  away from this  list for a while.



However, I do not believe in the leader principle, I have no leader and I am 64 years old.



  I have not perished into non-existence by not having a leader.



  end        Henry B. Ellak



  --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:



  From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>



  Subject: Re: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw



  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



  Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:43 PM



I would have to agree. Sadly those that do not obide, those that do not see the universal love eminating from a benvolent leader will utterly perish into non-existence.



  Peace and blessings



  Antonio



--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:



  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>



  Subject: Theos-World AAB and The Maitreya and Messiah flaw



  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



  Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 10:37 PM



















        Dear friends



  My views are:



"People are always looking for leaders; that does not mean that this is the time for a leader. The problems that a leader would be able to resolve have not been identified. Nor does the clamor mean that those who cry out are suitable followers. Most of the people who demand a leader seem to have some baby's idea of what a leader should do. The idea that a leader will walk in and we will all recognize him and follow him and everybody will be happy strikes me as a strangely immature atavism. Most of these people, I believe, want not a leader but excitement. I doubt that those who cry the loudest would obey a leader if there was one. Talk is cheap, and a lot of the talk comes from millions of old washerwomen. " (Idries Shah)



  The Law of Karma is not bending it self down in front of ignorance.



  M. Sufilight



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