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Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

Jun 03, 2009 11:31 PM
by Leon Maurer


I wouldn't be surprised by anything regarding the dugpas and their hierarchies.
And about those who saw what was happening at the time... They were either too young and naive to Understand what was the big picture, or they were part of it in some small way, and didn't like to rock the boat or bite the hand that was feeding them.
But, there were some others who understood what was going on, and many of them are still active exposing on the web the vast international conspiracies that their research uncovered. Unfortunately, the public press and mass media, controlled by members of those secret cabals, cover it all up by keeping the real truth off the front pages, and using disinformation propaganda to discredit all the so called "conspiracy theorists"...Almost like the way the US government covers up their secret weapon's research by by intentionally instigating UFO mysteries and alien visitations, etc...
Anything to keep the public distracted and in constant controversy over inconsequential "hot news stories" that blind them to the real truth of how they are being misled and enslaved by the monetary system and the international bankers that control and manipulate it -- until it all comes crashing down around our ears -- while more billions are printed as handouts to the defunct money lenders and their corporations.
As for me... I didn't really think much about any of that at the time -- being a good soldier who respected his oath of secrecy and chain of command, and not questioning anything that was winning the war. It wasn't until I was debriefed by my ex CIA, MI and OSS Friends during the seventies and eighties, and tied it all together with what I had learned in my occult studies, that I finally realized the full scope of how, what I knew and experienced when just out of my teens, fitted into the overall picture as I see it today.
But no matter how many of us talk about any of this, and get classed as conspiracy freaks in the popular press -- the world will still listen to the propaganda that continues to promote materialism, selfishness and greed as the natural way of life... And remain as ignorant as ever about the true nature of reality and the necessity -- if the world is to be saved from self destruction -- to live in accord with theosophical principles.
However, I have little hope that that could happen before the next great worldwide natural disaster makes it imperative. The physicist Max Planck once said, in effect, that "a valid new idea or truth can't take hold by trying to change peoples minds, until all those who held the old false ideas are dead, and a new generation starts to think and act in accord with the new truth."
Whether that will happen in our lifetimes or hundreds of years from now -- is anyone's guess -- (and, most likely, the Masters to know.;-). 

Leon

On Jun 2, 2009, at 6/2/099:33 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
I never looked at it that way before but your argument makes perfect sense. I had some way out notion that one had to be on the left hand path long enough to understand and manipulate the laws of nature to their advantage. But as you say they are practising either consciously or unconsciously psychological manipulation of humanity.
I have, for a number of years, held the same idea as you that when the hot war ended, Russia and the US have continued with their cold war - as surrogate supporters of wars outside of their own territories. No doubt Britain and France are also involved.
I was recently reading an article on the Yaltsa Conference held between Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill and learnt that in 1942 the three of them were sitting down dividing up the spoils. Three years before the end of the war, so Hitler certainly wasn't a real threat as they obviously believed that he would never dominate in Europe. One comment on the polish occupation was that if 7 million poles are lost we will give them part of the new subdivided germany! So as you say human life is meaningless to them.
Thanks for your personal account of what happened -this is the only way the real truth will ever surface - why Leon, did those that saw what was happening not speak out at the time? I imagine it had something to do with their own and their families safety.
Back to the Dugpas - do you suppose that like the White Brotherhood, there is a heirarchy of dugpas? 

Cass





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From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 4:21:18 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"? 





But, the "dark forces" are the ones who direct these groups behind
the scenes, who promote the idea that greed is good... And, that the
welfare of the world depends solely on the trickle down charity of
the wealthy industrialists who pay the wages and fund all the
nonprofit organized charities and churches that take care of the
people in need ... With the bulk of the wealthy dupes of these Dugpas
(usually their children) not realizing that their greed spills over
into all those who handle their money, and take their cuts off the top. 

So, there isn't some elementals whispering into the ears of the power
brokers -- who are themselves the Dugpas... As anyone becomes when
they selfishly accept the religion of greed for power and money, and
start "talking with a forked tongue" (as the Native Americans say)
about how religious and charitable they are, and how much they have
Christ in their hearts and listen to God.

Vide the family history of the last Prez of the US -- whose
grandfather financed Adolph Hitler's Nazi regime and whose father,
after WW2 set up the CIA "black ops" assassins as tools of the
wealthy military industrialists -- to protect their foreign interests
against communist nationalization, and to keep their weapons supplies
moving -- financed surreptitiously by CIA controlled international
drug smuggling and marketing.

Some of us know what came onto the US in Vietnam body bags, and what
flew back from Panama after delivering weapons to the Sandinistas, or
to Al Queda in Afghanastan, or any other rebel group fighting against
communists, or any dictator who controlled any country's economics
that were not in favor of the worldwide money-power- elite cabal...
All managed by the CIO and their Military Industrial congressional
complex handlers -- all the way up to the White House. We also know
who financed the campaigns of most Presidents (and many Governors as
well) since WW2, and continues to controls their appointees in
Government Bureaus and departments, as well as congressional votes in
favor of monetary interests.

So, its the "dark forces" (who are the "Dugpas" that sit in the
secret rooms and make all the plans, as leaders of the power elite)
-- who do get to spend the money, and get all the kudos in their favor. Unfortunately, it's the people who are the puppets... And its 
the power elite Dugpas, and their worldwide cabal of compliant
military industrialists. property and resource owners -- that are the
puppeteers.

That's the sorry state of the world as I see it... After watching it
(and overhearing) it grow ever since I was a young soldier in WW2 and
privy to the plans for the occupation and reconstruction of Germany
-- while the US armies were preparing to cross the Rhine. It was no Secret to the Generals -- One of whom later became a President, while 
others sat on the Board of Directors of many of the largest
international corporations, long after the war... Not to mention the
German Born, American trained economist who, after joining the army
to obtain his citizenship, was assigned as a military governor in
Germany, and later, after helping organize project Paper Clip
maserminding US economic detente with China, and being appointed
Secretary of State, continued as advisor to American Presidents who
were notorious fascist oriented anti communists.. . All stooges of the
Dugpa controlled international banking power-elite and/or puppet
masters of the world's wage slaves.

Who do you think controls the money made from the CIA fathered
international drug trade, the gains of international mafia gangsters
and racketeers, or the profits from military weapon's and post war
reconstruction? Remember, it's those who hold and lend other peoples
money -- and do nothing with its profits to prevent the destruction
of the biosphere they cause, the diseases they palliate but won't
cure, or the damages from the wars they foment -- who really wield
the power of life and death in this modern world.

Whether they admit it or not -- they are, ALL, the Dugpas minions.

Leon

On Jun 1, 2009, at 6/1/0910:23 PM, Cass Silva wrote:


But the dark forces behind these governments don't get to spend the
money or receive any qudos for their part. Does it simply come
down to enjoyment from puppeteering? There has to be a bigger
design that this as this shows them up as simply being supersized
elementals doing what they do best. One thing for sure is that the
dugpas must promise a long life as all of these bastards seem to
live into their eighties.

Yes, I agree that it is just a small cartel of individuals that are
ruling the world through their economic control of it.

Perhaps you are right in that the motive is to cause instability
leading to a halting of the divine plan for evolution and our part
in it, but as every Manvantara has a starting and finishing point
they can never achieve their goal. As they supposedly can reach
christ consciousness in their own scheme, they should know that
they are ultimately fighting a losing battle.

Far as I can tell they have very little use for using Judaism when
they have Christians who have been dumbed down by christianity for
centuries - Judaism on the other hand is not so easy to infiltrate
as Jews themselves can question their creed and is an integral part
of the jewish religion - at least -as far as I know. Christians on
the other hand would be easy picking as no doubt the roman church
and the dugpas know rely continue to wait for an event that will
not occur -a messianic saviour to save them - even if Jesus did
exist - did he save anyone? I will be facitious and say, how many
saviors does it take?

Even if there are catclysmic events - brought on by the gargantuan
thought form produced by humanity - not all will be lost and I
guess the 64,000 dollar question is 'is earth to be saved for the
more or less evolved souls'? Seems to me that historically when
there have been deluges etc it was saved for the less evolved with
a few minor scatterings of the more evolved.

Anyway at my age its not an issue

Cheers
Cass




____________ _________ _________ __
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 6:32:50 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?





Cass,

I presume you are talking about the "dark forces" that are behind the
US and Israeli shadow governments -- with the motive being greed for
money and power -- which they maintain simply by controlling the
global economy, one way or another.

Now they have such power, through the World Banking system --
controlled almost entirely by a cabal of US, Israeli, British,
German , French, Arabian, and Vatican banker/financiers, including a
number of loosely interwoven family groups -- of which the
Rothchild's, Rockefellers, Windsors, Thyssens, Harrimans, Schiffs,
Mellons, etc,, are among the European and American leaders -- with
their tentacles spread through most Industrialized or commodity rich
countries and their satellites around the world -- who finance the
weapons makers and war profiteers on a global scale... And use their
financial powers to intimidate governments. As long as they continue
to finance political campaigns and bribe government legislators and
bureaucrats, they can maintain this power.

Their hope however is to gain control of all the world's governments,
by consolidating them into a single "New World Order" or global
government -- which they can entirely control. (BTW, this
internationally consolidated NWO should not be confused with the the
"New Order of the Ages" introduced in 1776 by the "Founding Fathers"
or agents of the Theosophical Movement, in the form of what was
intended, in the beginning, to be a pure democratic government in
America.) This current idea of a single global government desired by
these bankers, however, could only work for them -- considering the
diversity of cultures of different nationalities and ethic groups --
as a force backed theocratic dictatorship.

In theosophical terms, it means that such nefarious, potential
governmental control activities, are currently carried out by knowing
and unknowing agents of the "Dugpas' or "dark side" -- who,
ostensibly (whether sincerely or otherwise) -- can be members of ANY
religious and/or political organization, secret society or
association (including the TS). Therefore, such people can carry out
their common aims, cooperatively, across all social, political,
religious and ethnic boundaries.. . With their only conflict being
over the control of territorial or competitive economic boundaries --
which can be resolved by cartel agreements between competing
corporation -- which act as codependent states in a vast federalized
global dictatorship.

Naturally, any false prophet or "messiah" who can front for these
government and economic controllers, and capture hordes of blind
believers, is just what they need to take over the global economy
through a globalized dictatorial New World Order government. But even
if some of the blind believing Christians and Hindus fall for their
rhetoric -- I don't think they have a prayer in hell of ever
achieving such an aim in this skeptical if not enlightened age. ;-)
Unfortunately, according to a recent poll, nearly 44% of Americas
still believe that Jesus will return in their lifetimes. It would be
interesting to know what the percentages are in other countries.

However, if any such a "savior" shows up, is accepted by all of the
Christians and tries to rule over a "New World Order" global
government -- imagine what all the non-believer groups in each
country might do in response.

As for spreading the idea that the "dark forces use Judaism as a
mask"... That is a typical neo-Nazi propaganda ploy to blame the Jews
for the economic problems of the world. Hitler used these same anti-
Semitic propaganda techniques to blame all the Jews for the
depression in Germany that led to the Nazis, WW2, and the holocaust.

The only reason Germany is today one of the world's leading and most
prosperous economic powers (#3) is because of a deal, between the
original American-German (cartels) banker/financiers of the Nazi war
machine -- that enabled Hitler to start WW2 -- which led to the WORLD
BANK and IMF system in place today.

After the war, this cooperation continued with Operation Paper Clip
that brought the Nazi scientists along with some of their pro nazi
leaders into America -- which led to the Moon and NASA, and enabled
the rebuilding of Germany and its industries, along with the high
tech American war machine -- at immense profits to all the original
worldwide banker/financiers. The same "deal" was carried our with
Japan after their surrender. So, in that world of high finance, what
goes around, comes around. And their international cartel's
continued empowerment is assured by the continuous warfare in as many
remote places as possible throughout the world (so long as they are
not on their "homeland's" territories) .

Thus, the Federal Reserve Bank in America, as an independent part of
that system, can print money as needed to support its economy (that
is linked to the economy of all the European and friendly Asian
nations) -- sometimes to the detriment of the people dependent on
that economy (but not to the bankers themselves).

In the back rooms of the power elite, the picture of the world as it
is, and planned for as the New World Order of the future -- is
nothing like the ideal one pictured by the blind believers in a
personal God who sends down his avatar or Messiah in the flesh to
dictate, through a "New World Order" government, the paradise on
Earth that they expect will be like the Garden of Eden fantasy in the
Bible.

So, in my view, since there are no gods, miracles, or saviors -- the
only real hope mankind has seems to be for the cycles itself to bring
on the worldwide disasters (pole shift, meteor strike, volcanic
eruption, atomic winter, world pandemic, etc.) that wipes out the
bulk of the world's population -- (which, by its continued
expansion, over-consumption and pollution can only contribute further
to the depletion of Earths resources and diversity of life... So that
the coming wave of sixth sub-racers can start over, almost from
scratch, and rebuild the New Order of the World on purely
theosophical principles.. . That respects nature, rather than
worshipping and hoping that a personal God, or the power of money can
save us from the present deterioration of the world's life supporting
resources. Present mankind has poisoned its own home, the biosphere,
and will have to pay the piper before it can recover under the
guidance of whatever remnant survives this minor apocalyptic
adjustment.

Or, we can all become true theosophists in whatever time we have
left, start practicing universal brotherhood, give up all selfishness
and greed, begin helping all those in need, and, by working together,
begin restoring the world to its pristine state -- so it wont be such
horrendous problem for the survivors and new agers.

But, since that seems to be almost impossible to achieve before it
becomes "too late to relate" -- I wouldn't hold my breath waiting
for it to happen before the solar system itself decides it's rime to
purge the bad seeds and their effluvia... Which is needed to allow
the good ones left, to start a new worldwide, government-less, true
theosophical society... So that our great, great, great grand kids
might find it a pleasant home in the future, and we may have and even
better place to come back to in our next lives. Be nice if everyone
could look that far ahead, for themselves, and start working toward
it now. Even if they lose out in the big wipe out, the positive
karma gained will stand them in good stead the next time around.

As HPB said, when all people know in their heart the truth of karma
and reincarnation -- mankind will finally have their Paradise on
Earth. But, unfortunately, knowing human nature, I don't see that
happening for a long long time... Although all true theosophists can
never stop working toward it, as individual nuclei of universal
brotherhood.

(end of rant ;-)

Leon

On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/099:51 PM, Cass Silva wrote:


Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the
motive is for these dark powers?

Cass




____________ _________ _________ __
From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?





Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another
candidate is better.
They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.

Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who
have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a
right decision.

But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a
democracy.
Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who
to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass
media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
Doubt is regarded as criminal.
Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the
taboos have changed.

BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His
coronation in Jerusalem.

So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism
is misused as a mask by dark forces.

Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Maurer
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?

Antonio,

I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
states
that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
millions of people.

No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the 
end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
rule.

And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
the people, is destined to fail.
My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet 
talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil 
minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.

I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the 
works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.

Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the 
people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly 
better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.

And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so 
long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
world problems.

As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
under their guidance and control.

In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists 
and would be dictatorial monarchists.

While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
intentions." ;-)

But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
Doctrine.

So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
dictatorially religious governmental organization.

Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have 
been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship, 
as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
Try this one for starters:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm

Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
now using psychoactive drugs.)

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer

On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:


Hi Leon,

I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
truth. Love.

Peace and blessings
Antonio

--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:

From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM

















Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
revealing of

their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or

their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new

messenger begins the new mission?



And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated

through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the 

modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and

applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high

technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated
with
the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship 

-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of 

superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats

during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their

new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was

withheld from HPB)?



Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal

themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their

names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to

attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a

notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to

prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free

each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit
all

forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation,
personal

Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.

.

Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical

Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill

that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her 

writings.



Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books

necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret

Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?

(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along

with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)



Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger

could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the

Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge? 

And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the

accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a

proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as

Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his

theories.;-) See:

http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html



Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings

(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally

together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal

brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
world

the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as

the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a

messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
state

governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.



Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,

messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that

time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the

biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"

will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
himself ;-)



So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
down to

learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when

that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for

organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever

way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was

meant to be.



Best wishes,

Leon Maurer



On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:




Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now



make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?







Cass



















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From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>



To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM



Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?























Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?







Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult



Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide



professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's



teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master



Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."







Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from



H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the



expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:







"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far



better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final



and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-



Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and



philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original 


edition)







But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following



two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in



December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.







The first passage reads:







"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the



time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the



present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be



summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than 


herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not 


have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last



quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain



point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from



which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will



advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master



of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or



America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce



every chance



of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.



Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the



restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected 


Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.







The second passage is as follows:







". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is



made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of



Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each



century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of



spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their 


agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the 


form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have



done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and



healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth



century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have



been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .



but besides a large



and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the 


new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared



for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the
new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ." 


The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.







The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring



to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These



statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice



Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:







http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six







Daniel



http://hpb.cc































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