Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00011)

Cass,

I presume you are talking about the "dark forces" that are behind the  
US and Israeli shadow governments -- with the motive being greed for  
money and power -- which they maintain simply by controlling the  
global economy, one way or another.

Now they have such power, through the World Banking system --  
controlled almost entirely by a cabal of US, Israeli, British,  
German , French, Arabian, and Vatican banker/financiers, including a  
number of loosely interwoven family groups -- of which the  
Rothchild's, Rockefellers, Windsors, Thyssens, Harrimans, Schiffs,  
Mellons, etc,, are among the European and American leaders -- with  
their tentacles spread through most Industrialized or commodity rich  
countries and their satellites around the world -- who finance the  
weapons makers and war profiteers on a global scale... And use their  
financial powers to intimidate governments.  As long as they continue  
to finance political campaigns and bribe government legislators and  
bureaucrats, they can maintain this power.

Their hope however is to gain control of all the world's governments,  
by consolidating them into a single "New World Order" or global  
government -- which they can entirely control.  (BTW, this  
internationally consolidated NWO should not be confused with the the  
"New Order of the Ages" introduced in 1776 by the "Founding Fathers"  
or agents of the Theosophical Movement, in the form of what was  
intended, in the beginning, to be a pure democratic government in  
America.)  This current idea of a single global government desired by  
these bankers, however, could only work for them -- considering the  
diversity of cultures of different nationalities and ethic groups --  
as a force backed theocratic dictatorship.

In theosophical terms, it means that such nefarious, potential  
governmental control activities, are currently carried out by knowing  
and unknowing agents of the "Dugpas' or "dark side" -- who,  
ostensibly (whether sincerely or otherwise) -- can be members of ANY  
religious and/or political organization, secret society or  
association (including the TS).  Therefore, such people can carry out  
their common aims, cooperatively, across all social, political,  
religious and ethnic boundaries... With their only conflict being  
over the control of territorial or competitive economic boundaries --  
which can be resolved by cartel agreements between competing  
corporation -- which act as codependent states in a vast federalized  
global dictatorship.

Naturally, any false prophet or "messiah" who can front for these  
government and economic controllers, and capture hordes of blind  
believers, is just what they need to take over the global economy  
through a globalized dictatorial New World Order government. But even  
if some of the blind believing Christians and Hindus fall for their  
rhetoric -- I don't think they have a prayer in hell of ever  
achieving such an aim in this skeptical if not enlightened age. ;-)   
Unfortunately, according to a recent poll, nearly 44% of Americas  
still believe that Jesus will return in their lifetimes.  It would be  
interesting to know what the percentages are in other countries.

However, if any such a "savior" shows up, is accepted by all of the  
Christians and tries to rule over a "New World Order" global  
government -- imagine what all the non-believer groups in each  
country might do in response.

As for spreading the idea that the "dark forces use Judaism as a  
mask"... That is a typical neo-Nazi propaganda ploy to blame the Jews  
for the economic problems of the world.  Hitler used these same anti- 
Semitic propaganda techniques to blame all the Jews for the  
depression in Germany that led to the Nazis, WW2, and the holocaust.

The only reason Germany is today one of the world's leading and most  
prosperous economic powers (#3) is because of a deal, between the  
original American-German (cartels) banker/financiers of the Nazi war  
machine -- that enabled Hitler to start WW2 -- which led to the WORLD  
BANK and IMF system in place today.

After the war, this cooperation continued with Operation Paper Clip  
that brought the Nazi scientists along with some of their pro nazi  
leaders into America -- which led to the Moon and NASA, and enabled  
the rebuilding of Germany and its industries, along with the high  
tech American war machine -- at immense profits to all the original  
worldwide banker/financiers.  The same "deal" was carried our with  
Japan after their surrender.  So, in that world of high finance, what  
goes around, comes around.  And their international cartel's  
continued empowerment is assured by the continuous warfare in as many  
remote places as possible throughout the world (so long as they are  
not on their "homeland's" territories).

Thus, the Federal Reserve Bank in America, as an independent part of  
that system, can print money as needed to support its economy (that  
is linked to the economy of all the European and friendly Asian  
nations) -- sometimes to the detriment of the people dependent on  
that economy (but not to the bankers themselves).

In the back rooms of the power elite, the picture of the world as it  
is, and planned for as the New World Order of the future -- is  
nothing like the ideal one pictured by the blind believers in a  
personal God who sends down his avatar or Messiah in the flesh to  
dictate, through a "New World Order" government, the paradise on  
Earth that they expect will be like the Garden of Eden fantasy in the  
Bible.

So, in my view, since there are no gods, miracles, or saviors -- the  
only real hope mankind has seems to be for the cycles itself to bring  
on the worldwide disasters (pole shift, meteor strike, volcanic  
eruption, atomic winter, world pandemic, etc.) that wipes out the  
bulk of the  world's population -- (which, by its continued  
expansion, over-consumption and pollution can only contribute further  
to the depletion of Earths resources and diversity of life... So that  
the coming wave of sixth sub-racers can start over, almost from  
scratch, and rebuild the New Order of the World on purely  
theosophical principles... That respects nature, rather than  
worshipping and hoping that a personal God, or the power of money can  
save us from the present deterioration of the world's life supporting  
resources.  Present mankind has poisoned its own home, the biosphere,  
and will have to pay the piper before it can recover under the  
guidance of whatever remnant survives this minor apocalyptic adjustment.

Or, we can all become true theosophists in whatever time we have  
left, start practicing universal brotherhood, give up all selfishness  
and greed, begin helping all those in need, and, by working together,  
begin restoring the world to its pristine state -- so it wont be such  
horrendous problem for the survivors and new agers.

But, since that seems to be almost impossible to achieve before it  
becomes "too late to relate" --  I wouldn't hold my breath waiting  
for it to happen before the solar system itself decides it's rime to  
purge the bad seeds and their effluvia...  Which is needed to allow  
the good ones left, to start a new worldwide, government-less, true  
theosophical society... So that our great, great, great grand kids  
might find it a pleasant home in the future, and we may have and even  
better place to come back to in our next lives.  Be nice if everyone  
could look that far ahead, for themselves, and start working toward  
it now.  Even if they lose out in the big wipe out, the positive  
karma gained will stand them in good stead the next time around.

As HPB said, when all people know in their heart the truth of karma  
and reincarnation --  mankind will finally have their Paradise on  
Earth.  But, unfortunately, knowing human nature, I don't see that  
happening for a long long time...  Although all true theosophists can  
never stop working toward it, as individual nuclei of universal  
brotherhood.

(end of rant ;-)

Leon

On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/099:51 PM, Cass Silva wrote:

> Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the  
> motive is for these dark powers?
>
> Cass
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@t-online.de>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of  
> Truth"?
>
>
>
>
>
> Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
> But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another  
> candidate is better.
> They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
> And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.
>
> Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who  
> have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a  
> right decision.
>
> But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a  
> democracy.
> Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who  
> to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass  
> media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
> Doubt is regarded as criminal.
> Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
> So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the  
> taboos have changed.
>
> BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in  
> 1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His  
> coronation in Jerusalem.
>
> So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism  
> is misused as a mask by dark forces.
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leon Maurer
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of  
> Truth"?
>
> Antonio,
>
> I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk  
> states
> that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
> causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
> injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
> millions of people.
>
> No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
> 7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
> end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
> supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
> it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
> rule.
>
> And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
> power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
> corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
> centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
> restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
> the people, is destined to fail.
>
> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
> never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
> talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
> slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
> seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
> minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
> enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
> Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
>
> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
> and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
> works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
> edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
> condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
> government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
> power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
> revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
> dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
>
> Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
> rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
> enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
> true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
> people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
> decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
> Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
> better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
>
> And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
> changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
> must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
> would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
> long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
> any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
> world problems.
>
> As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
> same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
> economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
> are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
> unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
> under their guidance and control.
>
> In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
> Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
> and would be dictatorial monarchists.
>
> While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
> savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
> old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
> intentions." ;-)
>
> But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
> "releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
> one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
> individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
> study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
> preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart Doctrine.
>
> So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
> into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
> minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
> ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
> underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
> dictatorially religious governmental organization.
>
> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
> about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
> experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
> been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
> recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
> about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
> as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
> there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
> spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
> (Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
> evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
> Try this one for starters:
> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
>
> Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
> your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
> ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
> uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
> incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
> now using psychoactive drugs.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Leon Maurer
>
> On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
>
> > Hi Leon,
> >
> > I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
> > no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
> > reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
> > addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
> > central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
> > realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
> > move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
> > world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
> > brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
> > power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
> > exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
> > both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
> > operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
> > sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
> > monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
> > Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
> > dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
> > be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
> > reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
> > People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
> > anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
> > people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
> > for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
> > you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
> > transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
> > within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
> > consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
> > will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
> > hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
> > look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
> > intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
> > truth. Love.
> >
> > Peace and blessings
> > Antonio
> >
> > --- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
> > Truth"?
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
> > revealing of
> >
> > their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
> >
> > their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
> >
> > messenger begins the new mission?
> >
> >
> >
> > And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
> >
> > through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
> >
> > begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the
> >
> > modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
> >
> > applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high
> >
> > technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated with
> >
> > the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship
> >
> > -- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
> >
> >
> >
> > And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of
> >
> > superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
> >
> > during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their
> >
> > new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
> >
> > withheld from HPB)?
> >
> >
> >
> > Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal
> >
> > themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
> >
> > names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
> >
> > attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
> >
> > notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
> >
> > prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
> >
> > each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit all
> >
> > forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation, personal
> >
> > Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
> >
> > .
> >
> > Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical
> >
> > Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
> >
> > that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
> >
> > the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her
> >
> > writings.
> >
> >
> >
> > Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
> >
> > necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
> >
> > Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
> >
> > (Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
> >
> > with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
> >
> > could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
> >
> > Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
> >
> > journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?
> >
> > And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
> >
> > accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a
> >
> > proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
> >
> > Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
> >
> > theories.;-) See:
> >
> > http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
> >
> >
> >
> > Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
> >
> > (with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally
> >
> > together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
> >
> > brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the  
> > world
> >
> > the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
> >
> > the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
> >
> > messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police state
> >
> > governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
> >
> > messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
> >
> > time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the
> >
> > biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
> >
> > will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
> > himself ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle down to
> >
> > learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
> >
> > that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
> >
> > organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
> >
> > way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
> >
> > meant to be.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Leon Maurer
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
> >
> > > make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Cass
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > > From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
> >
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
> >
> > > Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
> > > Truth"?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult
> >
> > > Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
> >
> > > professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
> >
> > > teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
> >
> > > Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
> >
> > > H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
> >
> > > expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
> >
> > > better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
> >
> > > and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
> >
> > > Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
> >
> > > philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
> >
> > > men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original
> >
> > > edition)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following
> >
> > > two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
> >
> > > December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The first passage reads:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
> >
> > > time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
> >
> > > present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
> >
> > > summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
> >
> > > even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than
> >
> > > herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
> >
> > > the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not
> >
> > > have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last
> >
> > > quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain
> >
> > > point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from
> >
> > > which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will
> >
> > > advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master
> >
> > > of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or
> >
> > > America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce
> >
> > > every chance
> >
> > > of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.
> >
> > > Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the
> >
> > > restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
> >
> > > expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected
> >
> > > Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The second passage is as follows:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is
> >
> > > made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of
> >
> > > Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
> >
> > > century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of
> >
> > > spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
> >
> > > place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their
> >
> > > agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
> >
> > > teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the
> >
> > > form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have
> >
> > > done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and
> >
> > > healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth
> >
> > > century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have
> >
> > > been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .
> >
> > > but besides a large
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