Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00012)

Frank, Jerry, et al,

All the occult teachings are in the Book of Dzyan, and in the Secret  
Doctrine commentaries by HPB -- if one knows how to read through the  
"blinds" -- by intuitively seeing "in and around the words and  
between the lines" -- as well as properly understanding the formula  
(in plain sight) in the BofD. ("The Three, The One, The Four, the  
One, The Five, The Twice Seven, The Sum Total")

For a direct geometric holographic interpretation of all the globes  
and rounds (12 after the triune Supreme Spiritual field itself) and  
why it was necessary for HPB to stress only the seven fold system, as  
it directly applies to Man's inner nature -- See; "How It All Began" at:
http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com/
(Note: if any illustration link results in a "Forbidden" window,  
simply copy and re-paste (or highlight) link in browser and re-enter.)
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/THOTH_IN_DIAMOND_SAMADHI.jpg
Note that pairs of globes are inside surrounding globes -- which  
accounts for the sum total of 14 primary globes (of which, the first  
two constitute the inner nature of the Supreme Spirit...  (That,  
incidentally, was pointed out by WQJ as "NOT being "Atma" or  
the"Spirit in Man")...  Thus, explaining why GdeP spoke only of 12  
globes pertaining to the cosmos after the initial 'Supreme Spirit"  
triune field or first Logos -- which stands outside of the lower 12  
globes...

Although, the seven globes, rounds and races on the physical/material  
plane are, for all practical purposes, all that is necessary to  
know--  (since these pertain to the lower 7 of the overall 14)...

Remember, a hologram contains all the information of the whole in  
every zero-point of whatever matrix it is encoded in -- "as above, so  
below".

HPB also indicated the overall holographic, fractal involved,  
harmonically cyclic nature of the cosmos, when she said (A) it was  
like "wheels within wheels", (B) that everything could be explained  
by "analogy and correspondence'. and (C) that all of it was  
"electrical in nature".  And, she even predicted all the changing  
paradigms of modern and post modern physics --up to the latest  
multidimensional (11 and more "hyperspace" field) string, quantum  
field, and M-brane theories.. See:
http://leonmaurer.info/einstein.html

Anyone can see that the Masters and HPB did not actually hold back  
anything from the really intuitive student (other than the method of  
using will to correlate the forces).  And, they expected the whole  
truth to be exposed before the end of the 20th Century in preparation  
for a universal awakening in this century -- which should be about  
the time the mass of sixth sub-racers begin to appear and be  
noticed.  That's why the Masters could retire long before CWL, AAB,  
and other pseudo theosophists began spouting their distortions.

So let's keep watch, and do our best to welcome the newcomers by  
spread broadcasting the fundamental teachings of theosophy they need  
to know (while warning them of the false prophets and blind religious  
beliefs that would lead them astray).

Best wishes,
Leon


Apparently, the hints were given out right from the beginning -- with  
the expectation that only the "intuitive student" would get it.



On May 17, 2009, at 5/17/093:31 PM, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:

> Dear Jerry,
>
> I understand your motive quite well.
> I am always angry when I read in the newspaper strange things with  
> theosophy allegedly teaches and then find as source Bailey or the  
> like.
>
> Yes, we need to be alert not to intermix the theosophical teachings  
> and terms of the primary sources (which are to me the messengers  
> aof the Masters) with the me merely *interpretations* by lays as  
> Steiner, Besant, Leadbeater etc.
>
> I have learnt from your communication that we have as yet no  
> written proof that HPB used the term "outer Head" or "Outer Head".
> It seems, Judge and Besant were the first onces, who used the term  
> in print.
>
> Regarding GdeP I come to a different conlusion. From his writings I  
> come to the conclusion that he is the most brillant commentator of  
> HPB, but not in the sense of an interpreter.
> To me his arguments sound authentic. That he was the only successor  
> since HPB as yet who was allowed by Masters to talk in public of  
> his occult status (that of a Teacher and a Messenger) makes him  
> somewhat unique.
>
> But to conclude that in turn other teachers as Tingley or Judge did  
> not possessed the same teachings is poppycock to my humble  
> understanding.
>
> As to the teachings of the 12 globes - this is to me a proof of the  
> authenticity of GdeP's teachings.
> Would he have taught but the same teachings as PUBLISHED by HPB,  
> then he would be regarded by me as one interpretator of many.
> But his teachings are not contradicting new inventions as that of  
> Steiner, Besant, Bailey, Leadbeater - which make them Pseudo  
> theosophy in HPB's mind - but GdeP's teachings are fully in accord  
> with HPB and to some extent logical extrapolations of it.
>
> The 12 globe model of GdeP does in no way contradict the 7 globe  
> teaching of HPB.
> On the contrary, would GdeP have stated that only 7 globes exists  
> one had to think of a blind or incompetence, since HPB stated that  
> she was not allowed to give out the teachings in its entirity and  
> that in the 20th century a chela would come who will give the  
> complete teachings - HPB clearly points here to GdeP.
>
> Furthermore you seem not to consider that HPB, when speaking of the  
> 7 globes she refers only to the four lower planes.
> Neither said HPB that no other planes exist nor did she say that no  
> other globes on other planes exist.
>
> To assume that HPB did not know about globes on other planes except  
> those she refered too is in my humble opinion a blinkers mindset  
> that the ULT promotes.
>
> That theosophists believe that HPB knew nothing more than that what  
> she was allowed to publish or that all what we published is the  
> last analysis of theosophy is foolish and the main reason why the  
> Theosophical Movement today is lying in koma and spiritually nearly  
> dead, while at the same time there is so much need and thirst for  
> pukka teachings and I feel also a need for further, deeper  
> teachings that even GdeP was allowed to publish.
>
> There is so much information and verification from outside of the  
> movement (Baumann and his Shambhala research, Christian Lindtner  
> and his Lotus Sutra and Parinirvanasutra research etc. etc.) that  
> shows that the time is ripe for that information, but theosophists  
> fail to receive/understand/hold/spread this information.
> In other words: The Masters of wisdom and peace are not to be  
> arrested or blackmailed by theosophists, they do not want to make  
> theosophy a new dogma or a new religion, they just want to spread  
> the truth, with no regard from where this truth comes.
>
> The malfunction of theosophists is also implied by the fact that  
> they did not recognized the 1975 messenger and that they even today  
> did not recognize the messengers that HPB followed, no matter  
> whether he/she/it is called outer/visible/honoured Head or Mickey  
> Mouse as you know.
>
> While the insignia majestatis are not considered theosophy becomes  
> more and more the widow again, instead the other way round and new  
> and deeper teachings are taught and brought into practice.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> I agree with you that there is a lot of misinformation, as well as  
> lack
> of information concerning HPB. This is precisely why I raised the
> question. There is a tendancy among many Theosophical historians, in
> and outside of Theosophical circles who have mixed together  
> concepts and
> terms from the Besant period (and later) to the Blavatsky period of  
> the
> Theosophical Society. The Book "Madame Blavatsky's Baboon" is a prime
> example of this kind of mixing of periods. Consequently, I point for
> raising this issue is not so much to determine who first used the  
> title
> "Outer Head", but rather to raise awareness that Theosophical terms  
> and
> titles arose in specific periods of the TM, and often changed meaning
> over time.
>
> Regarding G. de Purucker, I regard his writings as secondary to
> Blavatsky and Judge, whom he interpreted and took into his own
> direction. This is neither praise nor condemnation of G.de P.
> Personally, I like G. de P's writings, but it would be a mistake  
> to, for
> instance, attribute his twelve globe system (7 sacred planets and 5
> mystery planets) to HPB. HPB may or may not have implied such a  
> system,
> but it is clearly G. de P. who developed it. The same can be said for
> Besant, Leadbeater etc.
>
> In your example of G. de P's outer and inner rounds, I would make the
> same argument as above, though, if I correctly recall, Sinnett earlier
> used the terms "inner and outer rounds".
>
> Best
> Jerry
>
> Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Daniel and Jerry,
>>
>> although the question who first used the term O.H. may be of less
>> importance, as most theosophists have not even in dreams a basis
>> understanding of who and what HPB was, it comes to my mind that we
>> know less to nothing about what HPB really taught orally, except from
>> the few published instructions.
>> F.e. Hartmann reports that HPB often spoke of the coming soon great
>> war in Europe or about Paracelsus.
>> We have no documents about the term.
>>
>> OTOH, HPB states in E.S. instruction No. III, Esoteric Papers p. 419:
>>
>> "...that by "Teacher" I neither mean myself, as I am but the humble
>> mouthpiece of the true Teacher..."
>>
>> Similar we may not find the term "outer round" in the surviving
>> documents of HPB, so people who stick on HPB alone can argue that de
>> Purucker's teachings about outer rounds and inner rounds are a new
>> invention and not a revelation of HPB's teachings. And yet HPB in her
>> "last photo" refers to different cycles of messengers.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
>>
>> Hello Daniel,
>>
>> I haven't found such a document either. So, the recent statement
>> someone posted on this discussion board (which I quoted in my  
>> original
>> message) that, ..."Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the  
>> responsible
>> messenger who is the teacher and the link." is probably incorrect.
>> Unless, of course, someone can find documentation to the contrary. Is
>> there anyone here who can furnish such documentation?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> danielhcaldwell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> I don't think that HPB herself ever used that term: "Outer Head".
>>>
>>> I could be wrong but if so, where is the document showing that?
>>>
>>> If you browse through all the documents in ESOTERIC PAPERS OF MADAME
>>> BLAVATSKY, you will see that from the very beginning, HPB was  
>>> referred
>>> to as Head of the Section, Head of the Esoteric Section or at  
>>> least in
>>> one document as Head of the ES.
>>>
>>> This is found in documents signed by HPB, Judge and Olcott.
>>>
>>> The first time I can find "outer Head" used is in that Judge  
>>> document
>>> I have already mentioned and you will see those two words again
>>> on page 326 in the new pledge issued after HPB's death in which
>>> Mr. Judge and Mrs. Besant were termed "the outer Heads of the  
>>> School".
>>>
>>> One other relevant document I suppose would be the Preliminary
>>> Memorandum, see page 47 of ESOTERIC PAPERS.
>>>
>>> Here it is stated:
>>>
>>> "The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H.P.
>>> Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section."
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> http://hpb.cc
>>>
>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk% 
>>> 40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, your link works. The link went to p. 323 where Judge,  
>>>> announcing
>>>> HPB's death, refers to her as ..."outer Head of the Section."  
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> If Judge capitalized both words, i.e. "Outer Head," I would take it
>>> as a
>>>> title. Otherwise, I think Judge meant that HPB's title was "Head
>> of the
>>>> [European ] Section [of the E.S], and he added the modifier of  
>>>> "outer"
>>>> to distinguish her from her teacher, who might then be called the
>> inner
>>>> Head of the E.S. On the other hand, it could be a typo, and Judge
>>>> really meant to write "Outer Head." But if this is the case, and  
>>>> if I
>>>> am correct that HPB never used the title "Outer Head", then it  
>>>> would
>>>> have been Judge who meant to coin that title for HPB. But when  
>>>> Besant
>>>> and Judge jointly led the EST, they both took (at least in the
>>>> beginning) a much humbler pose and signed their joint circulars
>> without
>>>> titles.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, it is an interesting point, and is possible that Besant  
>>>> read
>>>> "outer Head" as "Outer Head" and assumed that title for herself  
>>>> after
>>>> the Judge split in the Spring of 1895. Also, Katherine Tingley was
>>>> dubbed "Outer Head" by her followers in the May 21, 1896 Point Loma
>>> line
>>>> circular--a year after Judge died.
>>>>
>>>> However, my original question was: Where (if anywhere) does HPB
>>>> /herself/ use the title "Outer Head"? Have you anything on this?
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> danielhcaldwell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, look here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu>>
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If this link works, it will go to p. 323 of my ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
>>>>> MADAME BLAVATSKY.
>>>>>
>>>>> See what Judge writes upon HPB's death.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this would be considered a "title" but Judge
>> does use
>>>>> the two words together to describe HPB.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> http://hpb.cc
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been unable to find any documents, inside or outside of
>>> the E.S.
>>>>>> where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head." As far as I have
>> been able
>>>>>> to determine, this title was first used by Annie Besant. Does
>> anyone
>>>>>> here know of any documents where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer
>> Head"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a recent post, someone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "O.H. stand for Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the
>> responsible
>>>>>> messenger who is the teacher and the link."
>>>>>>
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