Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Jun 02, 2009 11:20 PM
by Martin
Well, God has made the devil to get the evil out of humans, so I bet he will send a representative:)
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:
From: Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 1:20 AM
Where are we going to get 7 billion red hats and decoder rings for them?
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 6/2/2009 10:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Mvandertak@yahoo. com writes:
We have almost 7billion potential dugpa's around the globe...
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From: c.leest <_c.leest@yahoo. c.l_ (mailto:c.leest@yahoo. com) >
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com)
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:11 PM
Typical it is out of You Tube,
Some dugpa's working there too?
Friendly Greetings Christina L
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 12:52 PM
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> Before you see this performance understand that all 21 performers are
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> Thousand Handed Quan Yin
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Mandaean "And Life is Victorious" it true.
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> From: "Martin" <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com>
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:13:10 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> Leon, I have copied your comments in this thread:
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scourge-of- god
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> I hope you are ok with that, else I will delete them...and write it in
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> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Leon Maurer < leonmaurer@aol. com > wrote:
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> From: Leon Maurer < leonmaurer@aol. com >
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 8:21 AM
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> > From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
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> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 6:32:50 AM
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
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> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> >> Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
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> >> They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
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> >> But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a
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> >> democracy.
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> >> Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who
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> >> to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass
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> >> media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
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> >> Doubt is regarded as criminal.
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> >> Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
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> >> So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the
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> >> taboos have changed.
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> >> BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
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> >> 1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His
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> >> coronation in Jerusalem.
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> >> So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism
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> >> Frank
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
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> >> From: Leon Maurer
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> >> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
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> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> >> Truth"?
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> >>
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> >> Antonio,
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> >>
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> >> I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
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> >> states
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> >> that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
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> >> causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
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> >> injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
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> >> millions of people.
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> >>
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> >> No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
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> >> 7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
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> >> end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
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> >> supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
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> >> it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
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> >> rule.
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> >>
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> >> And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
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> >> power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
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> >> corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
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> >> centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
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> >> restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
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> >> the people, is destined to fail.
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> >>
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> >> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
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> >> never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
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> >> talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
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> >> slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
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> >> seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
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> >> minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
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> >> enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
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> >> Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
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> >> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
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> >> and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
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> >> works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
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> >> edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
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> >> condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
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> >> government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
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> >> power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
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> >> revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
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> >> dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
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> >>
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> >> Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
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> >> rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
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> >> enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
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> >> true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
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> >> people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
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> >> decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
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> >> Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
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> >> better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
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> >>
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> >> And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
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> >> changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
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> >> must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
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> >> would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
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> >> long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
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> >> any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
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> >> world problems.
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> >>
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> >> As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
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> >> same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
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> >> economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
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> >> are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
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> >> unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
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> >> under their guidance and control.
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> >>
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> >> In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
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> >> Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
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> >> and would be dictatorial monarchists.
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> >> While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
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> >> savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
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> >> old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
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> >> intentions." ;-)
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> >> But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
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> >> "releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
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> >> one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
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> >> individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
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> >> study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
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> >> preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
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> >> Doctrine.
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> >>
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> >> So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
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> >> into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
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> >> minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
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> >> ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
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> >> underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
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> >> dictatorially religious governmental organization.
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> >>
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> >> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
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> >> about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
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> >> experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
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> >> been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
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> >> recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
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> >> about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
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> >> as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
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> >> there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
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> >> spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
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> >> (Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
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> >> evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
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> >> _http://www.blavatsk _ (http://www.blavatsk /) y.net/blavatsky/
blavatsky- articles. htmt
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> >> Try this one for starters:
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> >> _http://www.blavatsk _ (http://www.blavatsk /) y.net/blavatsky/
arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
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> >>
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> >> Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
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> >> your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
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> >> ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
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> >> uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
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> >> incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
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> >> now using psychoactive drugs.)
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> >>
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> >> Best wishes,
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> >>
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> >> Leon Maurer
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> >>
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> >> On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
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> >>> Hi Leon,
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> >>> I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
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> >>> no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
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> >>> reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
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> >>> addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
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> >>> central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
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> >>> realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
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> >>> move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
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> >>> world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
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> >>> brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
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> >>> power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
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> >>> exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
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> >>> both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
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> >>> operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
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> >>> sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
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> >>> Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
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> >>> dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
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> >>> People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
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> >>> people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
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> >>> you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
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> >>> transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
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> >>> within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
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> >>> consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
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> >>> will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
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> >>> hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
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> >>> look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
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> >>> intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
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> >>> truth. Love.
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> >>> Peace and blessings
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> >>> Antonio
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> >>> --- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
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> >>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
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> >>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> >>> Truth"?
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> >>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >>> Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
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> >>> Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
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> >>> their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
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> >>> Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
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> >>> Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
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> >>> together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
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> >>> the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
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> >>> the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
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> >>>
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> >>> messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
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> >>> So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
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> >>>
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> >>> learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
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> >>>
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> >>> that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
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> >>> organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
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> >>> way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
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> >>> meant to be.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Best wishes,
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> >>>
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> >>> Leon Maurer
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> >>>
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> >>> On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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> >>>> Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
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> >>>> make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
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> >>>> Cass
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> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
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> >>>
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> >>>> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
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> >>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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