Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00043)

I am copying all on the theos ning site, if you don't mind:)

--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Discussion on Dugpas
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:35 PM











    
            
            


      
      Yes agreed.



I just posted the following on whether HPB got the word "Dug-pa" (Black Magicians)  right...



My views are:



I am sorry about that.



In TS it was ordinarily said that: Red Caps = Dug-pa /Dog-pa and Yellow Caps = Ge-lug-pa or Dge-lugs-pa.

This has changed a bit because Buthan is not the same as it used to be.



Here is something to consider...



Nitartha international

"How Nitartha international is Organized Nitartha international is a New York educational corporation created



by authority of the Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York, and is a member organization



of the University of the State of New York. "

http://www.nitartha .org/home. html



SEARCH their Doctionary: http://www.nitartha .org/dictionary_ search04. html



On Dug-pa or Dog-pa we have...



dug pa - {zas kyis dug pa} poisoned by food [ry]



dug pa - old coat or garment patched up and mended, dress, garment [JV]



dug pa - 1) tattered clothing; 2) [arch] bad [IW]



With other words a poisened Aura! Garment is Aura.



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dog pa - 1) pod, shell, husk; 2) pill, lump; 3) bunch, bouquet; 4) anthers; 5) thread; 6) closed in, crowded, dense, thick, narrow[ness] ; 7) capsule, pod; 8) bundle, skein [IW]



dog pa - confine(ment) / restriction [RB]



dog pa - narrow capsule, bundle, skein, neck ornament, ear of corn, narrow, strict, fear [JV]



dog pa - narrow/ confining; narrow, narrowness [ry]



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But try to read between the lines...in the below...



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Dug

dug - poison[ous], venom[ous], warm[th], light a fire [IW]



dug - poison, venom [JV]



dug - poison, poisonous, venomous [ry]



dug - 1) poison; 2) the kleshas [IW]



dug - 1) poison [syn: [ka ko la dang, 'joms byed ster, nag po brtsegs, be'u'i lte ba, tshangs pa'i bu, rab tu gsa]; 2) (met) the kleshas [IW]



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Pa



ah, oh, bdag po'i sgra (particle expressive of ownership or possession), affixed to many words from custom, often changed to ba after vowel or nga, la or ra, sign of infinitive and participle, often used for finite tense and for par, person who deals with whatever, inhabitants of a place, ordinal numeral, peculiarity of dialects, distinguish different meanings, used mistakenly for pa'i or ba'i, =don dam pa or fallaciousness, rain, agentive particle, part of past complement, in nominalized constructions [JV]



pa - 1) male agentive particle; 2) person/ male from ... country; 3) nominalizing particle for verbs, -ing; 4) past tense particle; 5) PA.; 6) ordinal # [IW]



pa - 1) male agentive particle; 2) person/ male from ... country; 3) nominalizing particle for verbs, -ing [all finals except ng, ' l r]; 4) past tense particle; 5) PA. [R] (6) ordinal #)/ [R] [IW]



pa - 1) agentive particle; 2) person from ... country; 3) nominalizing particle; 4) past tense particle; 5) PA. [bod yig gsal byed bcu gsum pa 'di'i nga ro 'don tsul la skye gnas mchu dang, byed



pa mchu, nang gi rtsol ba mchu gnyis phrad pa dang, phyi'i rtsol ba srog chung sgra med] 1) Ming gzhi'i pho yig cig; 2) male bdag po'i sgra zhig Rta pa,...Bod pa; 3) Ming mtha' zhig [Ga da na ba ma sa...Da drag ...Nga...Phyin pa,...Shes pa,...Rkang pa,...Skyob pa,...Rgyag pa,...Gnod pa,...Dam pa]; 4) ordinal # [gsum pa] [IW]



pa - 1) agentive particle. 2) person from a country. 3) nominalizing particle. 4) past tense particle [ry]



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Yellow Hats - dge-lugs-pa or "dge ldan - Gelug [thd] "



Dge-ldan and Dge-ldan-pa

dge ldan - virtuous [ry]



dge ldan - possessed of virtue or piety, pious, follower of tsong khapa [JV]



dge ldan - Gelug [thd]



dge ldan pa - 1) virtuous; 2) Gelukpa dge lugs pa [IW]



dge ldan pa - monk at Ganden [ry]



dge ldan pa - a dge lugs pa sect [JV]



dge lugs - Gelukpa school/lineage [IW]



dge lugs - Gelug, Geluk. The Tibetan school of Buddhism founded by Lord Tsongkhapa as a reformation of the Kadam tradition of Atisha Dipamkara. The present head is H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama [ry]



dge lugs pa - Gelukpa school/lineage [IW]



dge lugs pa - Gelukpa school/lineage [founded by Tsongkhapa, rje tzong kha pa blo bzang grags pa/ mdo sngags bshad sgrub zung 'brel gyi ring lugs, w yellow robes and hats = zhva ser pa] [IW]



dge lugs pa - Gelukpa, followers of the Gelug school / lineage. [founded by Tsongkhapa]; Gelukpa; earlier school of Kadampa. Syn {bka' gdams pa} [ry]



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Dge

dge - 1) virtuous, good, excellent, pure etc. 2) adj. comp. of {dge ba, tshul pha ma gnyis} male and female novice [ry]



dge - 1) virtuous, good, excellent, pure, what is good about something; 2) comp {dge ba [IW]



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Lugs



lugs - approach, system, method, tradition, casting, founding metal TSE [IW]



lugs - approach, system, tradition, way [thd]



lugs - {lugs srol} tradition; system; custom [RB]



lugs - verb + lugs - way of doing the verb [ry]



lugs - status, tradition, line of thought, order, systems of thought, SA yin lugs, mode, casting, founding, of metal, way, manner, fashion, mode, method, opinion, view, judgment, style of proceeding, established manner, custom, usage, rite, "manner" construction particle, principle, model [JV]



lugs - imp. of {lug pa}; approach, system, method, tradition, the casting, founding [ry]



lugs - 1) Tha dad par lug pa!; 2) manner, tradition, rule, custom, fashion; 2) poured things, casting, foundry work; 3) about, concerning, the reason for [IW]



lugs - 1) Tha dad par lug pa!; 2) manner, tradition, rule, custom, fashion; 2) poured things, casting, foundry work; 3) about, concerning, the reason for [yong lugs bshad pa: told why they had come] [IW]



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This is from the online Dictionary. It is pretty close to the real deal as far as I am concerned.

Yet I am no HPB or Master Morya. :-)



Allright?



M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: MKR 

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com ; theos-l 

  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:19 PM

  Subject: Theos-World Discussion on Dugpas



There is a very interesting ongoing discussion on Dugpas at

  www.theosophy. net. Any one interested may want to visit the website.

  .

  MKR



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