Leao, I have a giant map here with the drawing of the whole destiny
of Earth in past, now and future. If you want it I will send you a
picture of it...
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 10:37 PM
Frank, Jerry, et al,
All the occult teachings are in the Book of Dzyan, and in the Secret
Doctrine commentaries by HPB -- if one knows how to read through the
"blinds" -- by intuitively seeing "in and around the words and
between the lines" -- as well as properly understanding the formula
(in plain sight) in the BofD. ("The Three, The One, The Four, the
One, The Five, The Twice Seven, The Sum Total")
For a direct geometric holographic interpretation of all the globes
and rounds (12 after the triune Supreme Spiritual field itself) and
why it was necessary for HPB to stress only the seven fold system, as
it directly applies to Man's inner nature -- See; "How It All
Began" at:
http://dzyanmaster. wordpress. com/
(Note: if any illustration link results in a "Forbidden" window,
simply copy and re-paste (or highlight) link in browser and re-enter.)
http://leonmaurer. info/ABCimages/ THOTH_IN_ DIAMOND_SAMADHI. jpg
Note that pairs of globes are inside surrounding globes -- which
accounts for the sum total of 14 primary globes (of which, the first
two constitute the inner nature of the Supreme Spirit... (That,
incidentally, was pointed out by WQJ as "NOT being "Atma" or
the"Spirit in Man")... Thus, explaining why GdeP spoke only of 12
globes pertaining to the cosmos after the initial 'Supreme Spirit"
triune field or first Logos -- which stands outside of the lower 12
globes...
Although, the seven globes, rounds and races on the physical/material
plane are, for all practical purposes, all that is necessary to
know-- (since these pertain to the lower 7 of the overall 14)...
Remember, a hologram contains all the information of the whole in
every zero-point of whatever matrix it is encoded in -- "as above, so
below".
HPB also indicated the overall holographic, fractal involved,
harmonically cyclic nature of the cosmos, when she said (A) it was
like "wheels within wheels", (B) that everything could be explained
by "analogy and correspondence' . and (C) that all of it was
"electrical in nature". And, she even predicted all the changing
paradigms of modern and post modern physics --up to the latest
multidimensional (11 and more "hyperspace" field) string, quantum
field, and M-brane theories.. See:
http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
Anyone can see that the Masters and HPB did not actually hold back
anything from the really intuitive student (other than the method of
using will to correlate the forces). And, they expected the whole
truth to be exposed before the end of the 20th Century in preparation
for a universal awakening in this century -- which should be about
the time the mass of sixth sub-racers begin to appear and be
noticed. That's why the Masters could retire long before CWL, AAB,
and other pseudo theosophists began spouting their distortions.
So let's keep watch, and do our best to welcome the newcomers by
spread broadcasting the fundamental teachings of theosophy they need
to know (while warning them of the false prophets and blind religious
beliefs that would lead them astray).
Best wishes,
Leon
Apparently, the hints were given out right from the beginning -- with
the expectation that only the "intuitive student" would get it.
On May 17, 2009, at 5/17/093:31 PM, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
Dear Jerry,
I understand your motive quite well.
I am always angry when I read in the newspaper strange things with
theosophy allegedly teaches and then find as source Bailey or the
like.
Yes, we need to be alert not to intermix the theosophical teachings
and terms of the primary sources (which are to me the messengers
aof the Masters) with the me merely *interpretations* by lays as
Steiner, Besant, Leadbeater etc.
I have learnt from your communication that we have as yet no
written proof that HPB used the term "outer Head" or "Outer Head".
It seems, Judge and Besant were the first onces, who used the term
in print.
Regarding GdeP I come to a different conlusion. From his writings I
come to the conclusion that he is the most brillant commentator of
HPB, but not in the sense of an interpreter.
To me his arguments sound authentic. That he was the only successor
since HPB as yet who was allowed by Masters to talk in public of
his occult status (that of a Teacher and a Messenger) makes him
somewhat unique.
But to conclude that in turn other teachers as Tingley or Judge did
not possessed the same teachings is poppycock to my humble
understanding.
As to the teachings of the 12 globes - this is to me a proof of the
authenticity of GdeP's teachings.
Would he have taught but the same teachings as PUBLISHED by HPB,
then he would be regarded by me as one interpretator of many.
But his teachings are not contradicting new inventions as that of
Steiner, Besant, Bailey, Leadbeater - which make them Pseudo
theosophy in HPB's mind - but GdeP's teachings are fully in accord
with HPB and to some extent logical extrapolations of it.
The 12 globe model of GdeP does in no way contradict the 7 globe
teaching of HPB.
On the contrary, would GdeP have stated that only 7 globes exists
one had to think of a blind or incompetence, since HPB stated that
she was not allowed to give out the teachings in its entirity and
that in the 20th century a chela would come who will give the
complete teachings - HPB clearly points here to GdeP.
Furthermore you seem not to consider that HPB, when speaking of the
7 globes she refers only to the four lower planes.
Neither said HPB that no other planes exist nor did she say that no
other globes on other planes exist.
To assume that HPB did not know about globes on other planes except
those she refered too is in my humble opinion a blinkers mindset
that the ULT promotes.
That theosophists believe that HPB knew nothing more than that what
she was allowed to publish or that all what we published is the
last analysis of theosophy is foolish and the main reason why the
Theosophical Movement today is lying in koma and spiritually nearly
dead, while at the same time there is so much need and thirst for
pukka teachings and I feel also a need for further, deeper
teachings that even GdeP was allowed to publish.
There is so much information and verification from outside of the
movement (Baumann and his Shambhala research, Christian Lindtner
and his Lotus Sutra and Parinirvanasutra research etc. etc.) that
shows that the time is ripe for that information, but theosophists
fail to receive/understand/ hold/spread this information.
In other words: The Masters of wisdom and peace are not to be
arrested or blackmailed by theosophists, they do not want to make
theosophy a new dogma or a new religion, they just want to spread
the truth, with no regard from where this truth comes.
The malfunction of theosophists is also implied by the fact that
they did not recognized the 1975 messenger and that they even today
did not recognize the messengers that HPB followed, no matter
whether he/she/it is called outer/visible/ honoured Head or Mickey
Mouse as you know.
While the insignia majestatis are not considered theosophy becomes
more and more the widow again, instead the other way round and new
and deeper teachings are taught and brought into practice.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
Hi Frank,
I agree with you that there is a lot of misinformation, as well as
lack
of information concerning HPB. This is precisely why I raised the
question. There is a tendancy among many Theosophical historians, in
and outside of Theosophical circles who have mixed together
concepts and
terms from the Besant period (and later) to the Blavatsky period of
the
Theosophical Society. The Book "Madame Blavatsky's Baboon" is a prime
example of this kind of mixing of periods. Consequently, I point for
raising this issue is not so much to determine who first used the
title
"Outer Head", but rather to raise awareness that Theosophical terms
and
titles arose in specific periods of the TM, and often changed meaning
over time.
Regarding G. de Purucker, I regard his writings as secondary to
Blavatsky and Judge, whom he interpreted and took into his own
direction. This is neither praise nor condemnation of G.de P.
Personally, I like G. de P's writings, but it would be a mistake
to, for
instance, attribute his twelve globe system (7 sacred planets and 5
mystery planets) to HPB. HPB may or may not have implied such a
system,
but it is clearly G. de P. who developed it. The same can be said for
Besant, Leadbeater etc.
In your example of G. de P's outer and inner rounds, I would make the
same argument as above, though, if I correctly recall, Sinnett
earlier
used the terms "inner and outer rounds".
Best
Jerry
Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
Hi Daniel and Jerry,
although the question who first used the term O.H. may be of less
importance, as most theosophists have not even in dreams a basis
understanding of who and what HPB was, it comes to my mind that we
know less to nothing about what HPB really taught orally, except
from
the few published instructions.
F.e. Hartmann reports that HPB often spoke of the coming soon great
war in Europe or about Paracelsus.
We have no documents about the term.
OTOH, HPB states in E.S. instruction No. III, Esoteric Papers p.
419:
"...that by "Teacher" I neither mean myself, as I am but the humble
mouthpiece of the true Teacher..."
Similar we may not find the term "outer round" in the surviving
documents of HPB, so people who stick on HPB alone can argue that de
Purucker's teachings about outer rounds and inner rounds are a new
invention and not a revelation of HPB's teachings. And yet HPB in
her
"last photo" refers to different cycles of messengers.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou
ps.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
Hello Daniel,
I haven't found such a document either. So, the recent statement
someone posted on this discussion board (which I quoted in my
original
message) that, ..."Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the
responsible
messenger who is the teacher and the link." is probably incorrect.
Unless, of course, someone can find documentation to the
contrary. Is
there anyone here who can furnish such documentation?
Jerry
danielhcaldwell wrote:
Hi Jerry,
I don't think that HPB herself ever used that term: "Outer Head".
I could be wrong but if so, where is the document showing that?
If you browse through all the documents in ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
MADAME
BLAVATSKY, you will see that from the very beginning, HPB was
referred
to as Head of the Section, Head of the Esoteric Section or at
least in
one document as Head of the ES.
This is found in documents signed by HPB, Judge and Olcott.
The first time I can find "outer Head" used is in that Judge
document
I have already mentioned and you will see those two words again
on page 326 in the new pledge issued after HPB's death in which
Mr. Judge and Mrs. Besant were termed "the outer Heads of the
School".
One other relevant document I suppose would be the Preliminary
Memorandum, see page 47 of ESOTERIC PAPERS.
Here it is stated:
"The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H.P.
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section."
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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<mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins
<jjhe@...>
wrote:
Hello Daniel,
Yes, your link works. The link went to p. 323 where Judge,
announcing
HPB's death, refers to her as ..."outer Head of the Section."
Thanks.
If Judge capitalized both words, i.e. "Outer Head," I would
take it
as a
title. Otherwise, I think Judge meant that HPB's title was "Head
of the
[European ] Section [of the E.S], and he added the modifier of
"outer"
to distinguish her from her teacher, who might then be called the
inner
Head of the E.S. On the other hand, it could be a typo, and Judge
really meant to write "Outer Head." But if this is the case, and
if I
am correct that HPB never used the title "Outer Head", then it
would
have been Judge who meant to coin that title for HPB. But when
Besant
and Judge jointly led the EST, they both took (at least in the
beginning) a much humbler pose and signed their joint circulars
without
titles.
Anyway, it is an interesting point, and is possible that Besant
read
"outer Head" as "Outer Head" and assumed that title for herself
after
the Judge split in the Spring of 1895. Also, Katherine Tingley was
dubbed "Outer Head" by her followers in the May 21, 1896 Point
Loma
line
circular--a year after Judge died.
However, my original question was: Where (if anywhere) does HPB
/herself/ use the title "Outer Head"? Have you anything on this?
Best
Jerry
danielhcaldwell wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Well, look here:
http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>
<http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>>
<http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>
<http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>>>
If this link works, it will go to p. 323 of my ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
MADAME BLAVATSKY.
See what Judge writes upon HPB's death.
I don't know if this would be considered a "title" but Judge
does use
the two words together to describe HPB.
What do you think?
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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<mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins
<jjhe@>
wrote:
Dear Friends,
I have been unable to find any documents, inside or outside of
the E.S.
where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head." As far as I have
been able
to determine, this title was first used by Annie Besant. Does
anyone
here know of any documents where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer
Head"?
Best
Jerry
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"O.H. stand for Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the
responsible
messenger who is the teacher and the link."
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