Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00809)

I am working on another msg on the issue of Dug-pas. Will post it soon.
I think the issue needs to be discussed and everyone is welcome to
contribute their views.

MKR

PS: There are also some messages at theosophy.net.




On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM, seeker_preethi
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi MKR,
>
> Why blame on Dugpas what human beings create through their own foolishness?
> Unless of course one is calling negative energies by the name of Dugpas...
>
> Crisis generally comes when one refuses to pay heed to warning signs. The
> TS crisis is no less. The warning signs were many. Those on the top refused
> to pay heed. And one can trace the signs to their roots that date back
> several years...built up negative energy that came to fruition during the
> recent controversial elections.
>
> Preethi
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > From the early days of TS, Dugpas have been active and creating trouble.
> A P
> > Sinnett had commented that Dugpas were responsible for some of the
> problems
> > he had faced. Besant had commented that HPB was under constant attack
> from
> > Dugpas. Today, many theosophists believe that Dugpas have not disappeared
> > like magic. They are quite active as ever. Many also believe that the
> hand
> > of Dugpas is seen in the continuing crisis TS has seen since early last
> > year. Here is some interesting material on Dugpas.
> > .
> > In the following book, Raghavan Iyer inquired of Dalai Lama about Dugpas.
> > .
> > My Talk with the Dalai Lama
> > by RAGHAVAN IYER 1961
> > LONDON
> > EAST AND WEST LTD.
> > 1961
> > .
> > Here is the quote:
> > .
> > "Then I turned to him and asked him whether he was referring to the
> Dugpas,
> > to sorcerers and to ÃâËsoulless men.Ãââ When I said this, his interpreter
> could
> > not translate it because the word ÃâËDugpaÃââ has two senses. Literally,
> it
> > refers to an inhabitant of Bhutan, and using that meaning his interpreter
> > could not make sense of what I was saying. There is another meaning to
> the
> > word, meaning an evil being, or even a sorcerer, and to my surprise this
> > seemed to be unfamiliar to the interpreter. But the Dalai Lama showed
> that
> > he understood exactly what I had in mind. The Dalai Lama hinted at an
> > important point which was understood by Spinoza in Europe but which is
> often
> > ignored. There is no real distinction in the long run between the true
> > self-interest of a person and an unpleasant duty. There were
> unfortunately
> > people who persisted in doing things which were going to harm them above
> all
> > as well as others. He spoke with quiet compassion about these ignorant
> > though cunning evil-doers. It would be most wrong for us, he implied, to
> > condemn them or to dismiss them out of the horizon of our sympathy, as
> they
> > did more harm to themselves than to other human beings, although they
> could
> > not see it. Sometimes people were able to see the truth but through
> > selfishness they could not apply it. There were also people who were
> utterly
> > misguided in their view of what was in their own interest. If only they
> > could know, if only they were not so short-sighted through their own
> > desperation and through their own false concepts, they would see more
> > clearly what was in their interest and that this could not be so very
> > different for different peoples. In all conflicts the combatants ought to
> > realize that their ultimate interests were the same, but this was exactly
> > what was so difficult. Therefore, it was always the people who could
> stand
> > outside a violent conflict in any part of the world to-day, who, by their
> > awareness of this ultimate identity of interests between both sides in
> terms
> > of their common survival and in relation to the whole of humanity, could
> be
> > an active force for good. They could act as a check on the recurrent and
> > ever-increasing nature of evil, generated by folly, selfishness and above
> > all short-sightedness."
> >
> > .
> > MKR
> > .
> > There is no religion higher than truth
> >
> >
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> >
>
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