Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
May 30, 2009 02:19 AM
by Antonio
Hi Leon,
That we will have to wait for :)
In the meantime here are a few instrumentals that did not make the album.
www.myspace.com/acwarion
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 1:17 AM
Assuming it's the right education, let's hope it works.
But, judging from past attempts -- I wouldn't hold my breath.
Leon
On May 29, 2009, at 5/29/097:40 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
> Music - of course!
> Cass
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, 29 May, 2009 4:27:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
> Truth"?
>
> The final question, then, becomes;
>
> What means is your Maitreya going to use to "reeducate mankind" as a
> whole -- without using force backed up by a New World Order
> dictatorship?
>
> Leon
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 5/28/091:41 PM, Antonio wrote:
>
>> Which one is correct depends on the intentions of the perciever.
>> If the perciever has evil intentions then an evil Maitreya will be
>> appealing and vice versa.
>>
>> Regarding Morten's question. I did answer, perhaps not directly but
>> i asked if he would wait for the album which will explain my
>> perspective and take on things.
>>
>> However given the demand surrounding an answer i would best answer
>> by saying i promote the better side of Maitryea. According to BC
>> (Share International) Maitreya is a world teacher here to bring
>> peace and sharing to the world. The more argumentative believer
>> would happily associate Maitreya with the Antichrist. Once again
>> this is a situation of perspective. I however am more than happy to
>> promote a world teacher who's aim to make a chaotic world of greed,
>> war, famine, disease and corruption dissapear through the
>> reeducation of mankind.
>>
>> I hope this answers your questions.
>>
>> Peace and blessings
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>> Truth"?
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 1:27 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:
>>
>>> Maitreya is different things to different people.
>>
>> The question is... Which one is correct?
>>
>> And, besides, you didn't answer Morton's question -- which now I'm
>> asking. Are you or are you not "promoting a personal Saviour named
>> Maitreya adressing the world"?
>>
>> On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-
>>> theosophy@stofanet. dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>> Truth"?
>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:54 PM
>>>
>>> Dear friends and Antonio
>>>
>>> My views are:
>>>
>>> So I was wrong in reading your words as if you were promoting a
>>> personal Saviour named Maitreya adressing the world?
>>>
>>> M. Sufilight
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Antonio
>>>
>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:45 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
>>> of Truth"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is important to keep things in perspective and not make
>>> assumptions based on lack of information or fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Like i have reiterated time and time again my intentions are
>>> love, peace and truth based.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If people wish to assume otherwise that is their perogative.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think people will understand better my intentions and outlook
>>> on the 22nd of July, once my album is completed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Until then keep the love flowing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peace and Blessings
>>>
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
>>> stofanet. dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
>>> of Truth"?
>>>
>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 4:15 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear friends
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My views are:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antonio wrote:
>>>
>>> "The only difference is that the world will not truly know of
>>> Maitreyas intentions until it is out of the hands of the people and
>>> the government and the bankers and the world elite. Once he has
>>> risen to the central axis of power i think he will address the
>>> world and tell them it is time for change, he will give humanity
>>> two options 1 to accept his world view of love and peace or 2 to
>>> perish into total choas and anarchy. "
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The following view by H. P. Blavatsky aught to be considered. <<<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Extract from H.P.B.'s
>>>
>>> E.S.T.S. Instruction No. I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
>>>
>>> "By pandering to the prejudices of people, and especially by
>>> adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a personal,
>>> carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, the
>>> leaders of this "swindle" (for such it is) are endeavoring to draw
>>> men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the true
>>> path."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Stealing from us our esoteric Sanskrit terms, our facts --- which
>>> he disfigures --- and even our motto, "There is No Religion Higher
>>> than Truth," this self-styled illuminator is sure to prepare
>>> thousands of enemies to Theosophy, when those "awakened" by him
>>> will awaken to the sad truth of having been swindled by this
>>> "Brahmin" & Co. Let all Theosophists be warned in time by the
>>> Esotericists. "
>>>
>>> http://www.blavatsk yarchives. com/hpbes1extrac t.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - - -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
>>>
>>> "Year after year, and day after day had our officers and members
>>> to interrupt people speaking of the theosophical movement by
>>> putting in more or less emphatic protests against theosophy being
>>> referred to as a "religion," and the Theosophical Society as a kind
>>> of church or religious body. Still worse, it is as often spoken of
>>> as a "new sect"! Is it a stubborn prejudice, an error, or both? The
>>> latter, most likely. The most narrow-minded and even notoriously
>>> unfair people are still in need of a plausible pretext, of a peg on
>>> which to hang their little uncharitable remarks and innocently-
>>> uttered slanders. And what peg is more solid for that purpose, more
>>> convenient than an "ism" or a "sect." The great majority would be
>>> very sorry to be disabused and finally forced to accept the fact
>>> that theosophy is neither. The name suits them, and they pretend to
>>> be unaware of its falseness. But there are others, also, many more
>>> or less friendly people, who labour
>>>
>>> sincerely under the same delusion. To these, we say: Surely the
>>> world has been hitherto sufficiently cursed with the intellectual
>>> extinguishers known as dogmatic creeds, without having inflicted
>>> upon it a new form of faith! Too many already wear their faith,
>>> truly, as Shakespeare puts it, "but as the fashion of his hat,"
>>> ever changing "with the next block." Moreover, the very raison
>>> d'être of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, to
>>> utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any
>>> belief based upon blind faith."
>>>
>>> (IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?)
>>>
>>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/IsTheosophy AReligion. htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M. Sufilight
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Leon Maurer
>>>
>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:42 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
>>> of Truth"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's the same kind of thinking that led to the Holy Roman
>>>
>>> Empire, the inquisition, the dark ages and the 30 year war... Not to
>>>
>>> mention Hitler's New World Order Holocaust. If anyone thinks that a
>>>
>>> messianic based "new world order" could be any different -- they are
>>>
>>> either totally naive, or brain washed dupes of the dark side.
>>>
>>> Invariably, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Leon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2009, at 5/19/098:31 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Antonio wrote: Once he has risen to the central axis of power i
>>>
>>>> think he will address the world and tell them it is time for
>>>
>>>> change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
>>>
>>>> view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cass: This is a christian view on Armegeddon/Apocalyp se -
>>>
>>>> theosophy completely rejects this idea.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cass
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>>
>>>> From: Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
>>>
>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:43:22 PM
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Cass,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you for your view point. I understand what you say but there
>>>
>>>> are truths that only those in the higher echlons of power know.
>>>
>>>> This darkness in my opinion is simply tool. Like the motto that the
>>>
>>>> illuminati use "order out of chaos" i feel that the new world order
>>>
>>>> has been given a bad rap. In my opinion the new world order is an
>>>
>>>> ancient plan that can be used not only for evil but also for good.
>>>
>>>> It is a centralisation of power. Once this power is centralised and
>>>
>>>> it will be then and only then can the agenda be enforced. I
>>>
>>>> honestly feel that satan and god are working together to teach
>>>
>>>> humanity to grow and evolve. In this process we fight against
>>>
>>>> principles of good and evil within ourselves and eventually we come
>>>
>>>> to a point where we realise within that evil is no longer something
>>>
>>>> which benefits us. Without satan as a teaching tool we would simply
>>>
>>>> have nothing to invest our more innate negetive selves in. Satan is
>>>
>>>> like a mirror , a mirror of all our evils.
>>>
>>>> The image of satan or dark powers evolves in our minds as time
>>>
>>>> moves forward until we are able to form a more clear picture of
>>>
>>>> what evil is. I feel the real people behind the new world order
>>>
>>>> know this and are merely playing their part in a great theatricle.
>>>
>>>> I don't feel the power elite, the bankers and politicians are at
>>>
>>>> the heart of this movement. I feel they are being used by those
>>>
>>>> even higher up the ranks. The end result will manifest in our
>>>
>>>> reality and our time of this i have no doubt. It will be down to
>>>
>>>> all of us individually as humanity to come together to heal a dying
>>>
>>>> world or to remain individualistic and see the world around us fall
>>>
>>>> apart. I know what you mean when you say there are good forces that
>>>
>>>> will not allow the earth to perish and i beleive this too however
>>>
>>>> the structure of our society could easily fall away and either
>>>
>>>> bring about total chaos or the greatest change, something aking to
>>>
>>>> the likes of the Venus project. Their are so many
>>>
>>>> conflicting pieces of information but all my personal and spiritual
>>>
>>>> studies and experiences intuitivly lead me to one conclusion and
>>>
>>>> that is that the new world order is on the cusp of bringing their
>>>
>>>> plan into fruition. The past may have had isolated pockets of
>>>
>>>> society being introduced to this controlled mind state/hypnosis but
>>>
>>>> never on a totally global scale. What hitler did was a half hearted
>>>
>>>> attempt at what the new world order will do. The only difference is
>>>
>>>> that the world will not truly know of Maitreyas intentions until it
>>>
>>>> is out of the hands of the people and the government and the
>>>
>>>> bankers and the world elite. Once he has risen to the central axis
>>>
>>>> of power i think he will address the world and tell them it is time
>>>
>>>> for change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
>>>
>>>> view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
>>>
>>>> This will be either the great deception before christs arrival or
>>>
>>>> it will be the true way forward for
>>>
>>>> humanity either way the end result (peace) will justify the means
>>>
>>>> (total control).
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>
>>>> Antonio.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 2:51 AM
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the
>>>
>>>> motive is for these dark powers?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cass
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another
>>>
>>>> candidate is better.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set
>>>> aside".
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who
>>>
>>>> have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a
>>>
>>>> right decision.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a
>>>
>>>> democracy.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who
>>>
>>>> to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass
>>>
>>>> media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Doubt is regarded as criminal.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the
>>>
>>>> taboos have changed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
>>>
>>>> 1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His
>>>
>>>> coronation in Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism
>>>
>>>> is misused as a mask by dark forces.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Leon Maurer
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Antonio,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that
>>>> ended up
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> millions of people.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> 7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at
>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order"
>>>> government --
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will
>>>> actually
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> rule.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> the people, is destined to fail.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial
>>>> government
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another
>>>> sweet
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian --
>>>> who
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of
>>>> evil
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they
>>>> are.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is
>>>> studying
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of
>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works
>>>> (guided by
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for
>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is
>>>> certainly
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> would have to remain free to practice them without interference
>>>> -- so
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> world problems.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> under their guidance and control.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters
>>>> and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy
>>>> elitists
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> and would be dictatorial monarchists.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there
>>>> is an
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> intentions." ;-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> "releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The
>>>> only
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you
>>>> should
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
>>>> Doctrine.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> dictatorially religious governmental organization.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and
>>>> reading
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could
>>>> have
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such
>>>> mediumship,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> (Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Try this one for starters:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage...
>>>> (That,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> now using psychoactive drugs.)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Leon Maurer
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Leon,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the
>>>>> true
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow
>>>>> humanity to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> truth. Love.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Antonio
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>> Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> revealing of
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>> their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they
>>>>> (or
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> messenger begins the new mission?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of
>>>>> high
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated
>>>>> with
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of
>>>>> adeptship
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> -- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted
>>>>> hordes of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from
>>>>> their
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> withheld from HPB)?
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever
>>>>> reveal
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit
>>>>> all
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation,
>>>>> personal
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> .
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the
>>>>> Theosophical
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated
>>>>> into
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL
>>>>> her
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> writings.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> (Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the
>>>>> messenger
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public
>>>>> knowledge?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for
>>>>> such a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> theories.;-) See:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> (with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and
>>>>> rally
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the
>>>>> "universal
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
>>>
>>>>> world
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of
>>>>> theosophy as
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
>>>>> state
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And,
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> himself ;-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
>>>>> down to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in
>>>>> whatever
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> meant to be.
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Leon Maurer
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Cass
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same
>>>>>> Occult
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii
>>>>>> (original
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> edition)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the
>>>>>> following
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The first passage reads:
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>> "Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned
>>>>>> than
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will
>>>>>> not
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every
>>>>>> last
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from
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>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> America after that period, and the sluggards will have to
>>>>>> renounce
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> every chance
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year
>>>>>> 1975.
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's
>>>>>> Collected
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>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The second passage is as follows:
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> ". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an
>>>>>> attempt is
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual
>>>>>> progress of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> century you will invariably find that an outpouring or
>>>>>> upheaval of
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as
>>>>>> their
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in
>>>>>> the
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>> done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and
>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>> healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>> century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will
>>>>>> have
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>> been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> but besides a large
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>> and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his
>>>>>> arrival . . . ."
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being
>>>>>> Alice
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants,
>>>>>> see:
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> Daniel
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>>>>>> http://hpb.cc
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