Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00767)

Hey Leon,
its a bit like, I'll show you mine if you show me yours"  lol

Cass




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From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 28 May, 2009 10:27:46 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?






On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:

> Maitreya is different things to different people.

The question is... Which one is correct?

And, besides, you didn't answer Morton's question -- which now I'm 
asking. Are you or are you not "promoting a personal Saviour named 
Maitreya adressing the world"?

On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:
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> --- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global- 
> theosophy@stofanet. dk> wrote:
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> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of 
> Truth"?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:54 PM
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> Dear friends and Antonio
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> My views are:
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> So I was wrong in reading your words as if you were promoting a 
> personal Saviour named Maitreya adressing the world?
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> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Antonio
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer 
> of Truth"?
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> I think it is important to keep things in perspective and not make 
> assumptions based on lack of information or fact.
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> Like i have reiterated time and time again my intentions are 
> love, peace and truth based.
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> If people wish to assume otherwise that is their perogative.
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> I think people will understand better my intentions and outlook 
> on the 22nd of July, once my album is completed.
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> Until then keep the love flowing.
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> Peace and Blessings
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> Antonio
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> --- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ 
> stofanet. dk> wrote:
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> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer 
> of Truth"?
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 4:15 PM
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> Dear friends
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> My views are:
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> Antonio wrote:
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> "The only difference is that the world will not truly know of 
> Maitreyas intentions until it is out of the hands of the people and 
> the government and the bankers and the world elite. Once he has 
> risen to the central axis of power i think he will address the 
> world and tell them it is time for change, he will give humanity 
> two options 1 to accept his world view of love and peace or 2 to 
> perish into total choas and anarchy. "
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>>>> The following view by H. P. Blavatsky aught to be considered. <<<
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> Extract from H.P.B.'s
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> E.S.T.S. Instruction No. I
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> H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
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> "By pandering to the prejudices of people, and especially by 
> adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a personal, 
> carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, the 
> leaders of this "swindle" (for such it is) are endeavoring to draw 
> men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the true 
> path."
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> "Stealing from us our esoteric Sanskrit terms, our facts --- which 
> he disfigures --- and even our motto, "There is No Religion Higher 
> than Truth," this self-styled illuminator is sure to prepare 
> thousands of enemies to Theosophy, when those "awakened" by him 
> will awaken to the sad truth of having been swindled by this 
> "Brahmin" & Co. Let all Theosophists be warned in time by the 
> Esotericists. "
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> http://www.blavatsk yarchives. com/hpbes1extrac t.htm
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> - - -
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> H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
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> "Year after year, and day after day had our officers and members 
> to interrupt people speaking of the theosophical movement by 
> putting in more or less emphatic protests against theosophy being 
> referred to as a "religion," and the Theosophical Society as a kind 
> of church or religious body. Still worse, it is as often spoken of 
> as a "new sect"! Is it a stubborn prejudice, an error, or both? The 
> latter, most likely. The most narrow-minded and even notoriously 
> unfair people are still in need of a plausible pretext, of a peg on 
> which to hang their little uncharitable remarks and innocently- 
> uttered slanders. And what peg is more solid for that purpose, more 
> convenient than an "ism" or a "sect." The great majority would be 
> very sorry to be disabused and finally forced to accept the fact 
> that theosophy is neither. The name suits them, and they pretend to 
> be unaware of its falseness. But there are others, also, many more 
> or less friendly people, who labour
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> sincerely under the same delusion. To these, we say: Surely the 
> world has been hitherto sufficiently cursed with the intellectual 
> extinguishers known as dogmatic creeds, without having inflicted 
> upon it a new form of faith! Too many already wear their faith, 
> truly, as Shakespeare puts it, "but as the fashion of his hat," 
> ever changing "with the next block." Moreover, the very raison 
> d'être of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, to 
> utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any 
> belief based upon blind faith."
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> (IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?)
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> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/IsTheosophy AReligion. htm
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> So why
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> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Leon Maurer
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer 
> of Truth"?
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> And that's the same kind of thinking that led to the Holy Roman
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> Empire, the inquisition, the dark ages and the 30 year war... Not to
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> mention Hitler's New World Order Holocaust. If anyone thinks that a
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> messianic based "new world order" could be any different -- they are
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> either totally naive, or brain washed dupes of the dark side.
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> Invariably, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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> Leon
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> On May 19, 2009, at 5/19/098:31 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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>> Antonio wrote: Once he has risen to the central axis of power i
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>> think he will address the world and tell them it is time for
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>> change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
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>> view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
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>> Cass: This is a christian view on Armegeddon/Apocalyp se -
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>> theosophy completely rejects this idea.
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>> Cass
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>> ____________ _________ _________ __
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>> From: Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:43:22 PM
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>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>> Truth"?
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>> Hi Cass,
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>> Thank you for your view point. I understand what you say but there
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>> are truths that only those in the higher echlons of power know.
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>> This darkness in my opinion is simply tool. Like the motto that the
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>> illuminati use "order out of chaos" i feel that the new world order
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>> has been given a bad rap. In my opinion the new world order is an
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>> ancient plan that can be used not only for evil but also for good.
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>> It is a centralisation of power. Once this power is centralised and
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>> it will be then and only then can the agenda be enforced. I
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>> honestly feel that satan and god are working together to teach
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>> humanity to grow and evolve. In this process we fight against
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>> principles of good and evil within ourselves and eventually we come
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>> to a point where we realise within that evil is no longer something
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>> which benefits us. Without satan as a teaching tool we would simply
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>> have nothing to invest our more innate negetive selves in. Satan is
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>> like a mirror , a mirror of all our evils.
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>> The image of satan or dark powers evolves in our minds as time
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>> moves forward until we are able to form a more clear picture of
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>> what evil is. I feel the real people behind the new world order
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>> know this and are merely playing their part in a great theatricle.
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>> I don't feel the power elite, the bankers and politicians are at
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>> the heart of this movement. I feel they are being used by those
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>> even higher up the ranks. The end result will manifest in our
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>> reality and our time of this i have no doubt. It will be down to
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>> all of us individually as humanity to come together to heal a dying
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>> world or to remain individualistic and see the world around us fall
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>> apart. I know what you mean when you say there are good forces that
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>> will not allow the earth to perish and i beleive this too however
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>> the structure of our society could easily fall away and either
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>> bring about total chaos or the greatest change, something aking to
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>> the likes of the Venus project. Their are so many
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>> conflicting pieces of information but all my personal and spiritual
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>> studies and experiences intuitivly lead me to one conclusion and
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>> that is that the new world order is on the cusp of bringing their
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>> plan into fruition. The past may have had isolated pockets of
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>> society being introduced to this controlled mind state/hypnosis but
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>> never on a totally global scale. What hitler did was a half hearted
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>> attempt at what the new world order will do. The only difference is
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>> that the world will not truly know of Maitreyas intentions until it
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>> is out of the hands of the people and the government and the
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>> bankers and the world elite. Once he has risen to the central axis
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>> of power i think he will address the world and tell them it is time
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>> for change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
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>> view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
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>> This will be either the great deception before christs arrival or
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>> it will be the true way forward for
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>> humanity either way the end result (peace) will justify the means
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>> (total control).
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>> Peace and blessings
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>> Antonio.
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>> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>
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>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>> Truth"?
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>> Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 2:51 AM
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>> Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the
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>> motive is for these dark powers?
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>> Cass
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>> From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
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>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>> Truth"?
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>> Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
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>> But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another
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>> candidate is better.
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>> They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
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>> And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.
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>> Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who
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>> But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a
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>> Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who
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>> to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass
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>> media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
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>> Doubt is regarded as criminal.
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>> Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
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>> So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the
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>> taboos have changed.
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>> BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
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>> 1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His
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>> So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism
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>> Frank
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: Leon Maurer
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
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>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>> Truth"?
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>> Antonio,
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>> I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
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>> No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
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>> 7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
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>> end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
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>> supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
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>> it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
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>> And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
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>> power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
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>> centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
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>> restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
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>> the people, is destined to fail.
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>> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
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>> never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
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>> talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
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>> slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
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>> seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
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>> minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
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>> enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
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>> Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
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>> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
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>> edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
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>> condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
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>> power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
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>> revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
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>> dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
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>> Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
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>> true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
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>> people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
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>> Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
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>> And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
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>> long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
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>> any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
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>> world problems.
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>> As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
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>> same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
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>> economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
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>> are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
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>> unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
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>> under their guidance and control.
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>> In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
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>> Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
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>> and would be dictatorial monarchists.
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>> While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
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>> But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
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>> "releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
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>> study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
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>> preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart 
>> Doctrine.
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>> So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
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>> minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
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>> ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
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>> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
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>> about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
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>> been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
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>> recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
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>> about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
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>> as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
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>> there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
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>> (Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
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>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
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>> Try this one for starters:
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>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
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>> Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
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>> your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
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>> ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
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>> uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
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>> incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
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>> now using psychoactive drugs.)
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>> Best wishes,
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>> Leon Maurer
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>> On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
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>>> Hi Leon,
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>>> central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
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>>> realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
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>>> move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
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>>> world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
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>>> brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
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>>> both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
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>>> operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
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>>> sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
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>>> monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
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>>> Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
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>>> dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
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>>> People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
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>>> anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
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>>> people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
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>>> for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
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>>> you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
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>>> consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
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>>> hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
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>>> look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
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>>> Peace and blessings
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>>> Antonio
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>>> --- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
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>>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
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>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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