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Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

May 27, 2009 05:27 PM
by Leon Maurer



On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:

Maitreya is different things to different people.

The question is... Which one is correct?

And, besides, you didn't answer Morton's question -- which now I'm asking. Are you or are you not "promoting a personal Saviour named Maitreya adressing the world"?

On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/098:00 PM, Antonio wrote:


--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global- theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:54 PM

















      Dear friends and Antonio



My views are:



So I was wrong in reading your words as if you were promoting a personal Saviour named Maitreya adressing the world?



M. Sufilight



----- Original Message -----

  From: Antonio

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?



I think it is important to keep things in perspective and not make assumptions based on lack of information or fact.



Like i have reiterated time and time again my intentions are love, peace and truth based.



  If people wish to assume otherwise that is their perogative.



I think people will understand better my intentions and outlook on the 22nd of July, once my album is completed.



  Until then keep the love flowing.



  Peace and Blessings

  Antonio



--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:



From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>

Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

  Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 4:15 PM



Dear friends



My views are:



Antonio wrote:

"The only difference is that the world will not truly know of Maitreyas intentions until it is out of the hands of the people and the government and the bankers and the world elite. Once he has risen to the central axis of power i think he will address the world and tell them it is time for change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy. "



The following view by H. P. Blavatsky aught to be considered. <<<



Extract from H.P.B.'s

  E.S.T.S. Instruction No. I



H. P. Blavatsky wrote:

"By pandering to the prejudices of people, and especially by adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a personal, carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, the leaders of this "swindle" (for such it is) are endeavoring to draw men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the true path."



"Stealing from us our esoteric Sanskrit terms, our facts --- which he disfigures --- and even our motto, "There is No Religion Higher than Truth," this self-styled illuminator is sure to prepare thousands of enemies to Theosophy, when those "awakened" by him will awaken to the sad truth of having been swindled by this "Brahmin" & Co. Let all Theosophists be warned in time by the Esotericists. "

  http://www.blavatsk yarchives. com/hpbes1extrac t.htm



- - -



H. P. Blavatsky wrote:

"Year after year, and day after day had our officers and members to interrupt people speaking of the theosophical movement by putting in more or less emphatic protests against theosophy being referred to as a "religion," and the Theosophical Society as a kind of church or religious body. Still worse, it is as often spoken of as a "new sect"! Is it a stubborn prejudice, an error, or both? The latter, most likely. The most narrow-minded and even notoriously unfair people are still in need of a plausible pretext, of a peg on which to hang their little uncharitable remarks and innocently- uttered slanders. And what peg is more solid for that purpose, more convenient than an "ism" or a "sect." The great majority would be very sorry to be disabused and finally forced to accept the fact that theosophy is neither. The name suits them, and they pretend to be unaware of its falseness. But there are others, also, many more or less friendly people, who labour

sincerely under the same delusion. To these, we say: Surely the world has been hitherto sufficiently cursed with the intellectual extinguishers known as dogmatic creeds, without having inflicted upon it a new form of faith! Too many already wear their faith, truly, as Shakespeare puts it, "but as the fashion of his hat," ever changing "with the next block." Moreover, the very raison d'être of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, to utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any belief based upon blind faith."

  (IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?)

  http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/IsTheosophy AReligion. htm



So why



M. Sufilight



----- Original Message -----

  From: Leon Maurer

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:42 AM

Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?



And that's the same kind of thinking that led to the Holy Roman

  Empire, the inquisition, the dark ages and the 30 year war... Not to

  mention Hitler's New World Order Holocaust. If anyone thinks that a

  messianic based "new world order" could be any different -- they are

  either totally naive, or brain washed dupes of the dark side.

  Invariably, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



Leon



On May 19, 2009, at 5/19/098:31 PM, Cass Silva wrote:





Antonio wrote: Once he has risen to the central axis of power i

think he will address the world and tell them it is time for

change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world

view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.



Cass: This is a christian view on Armegeddon/Apocalyp se -

theosophy completely rejects this idea.



Cass









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From: Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:43:22 PM

Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of

Truth"?











Hi Cass,



Thank you for your view point. I understand what you say but there

are truths that only those in the higher echlons of power know.

This darkness in my opinion is simply tool. Like the motto that the

illuminati use "order out of chaos" i feel that the new world order

has been given a bad rap. In my opinion the new world order is an

ancient plan that can be used not only for evil but also for good.

It is a centralisation of power. Once this power is centralised and

it will be then and only then can the agenda be enforced. I

honestly feel that satan and god are working together to teach

humanity to grow and evolve. In this process we fight against

principles of good and evil within ourselves and eventually we come

to a point where we realise within that evil is no longer something

which benefits us. Without satan as a teaching tool we would simply

have nothing to invest our more innate negetive selves in. Satan is

like a mirror , a mirror of all our evils.

The image of satan or dark powers evolves in our minds as time

moves forward until we are able to form a more clear picture of

what evil is. I feel the real people behind the new world order

know this and are merely playing their part in a great theatricle.

I don't feel the power elite, the bankers and politicians are at

the heart of this movement. I feel they are being used by those

even higher up the ranks. The end result will manifest in our

reality and our time of this i have no doubt. It will be down to

all of us individually as humanity to come together to heal a dying

world or to remain individualistic and see the world around us fall

apart. I know what you mean when you say there are good forces that

will not allow the earth to perish and i beleive this too however

the structure of our society could easily fall away and either

bring about total chaos or the greatest change, something aking to

the likes of the Venus project. Their are so many

conflicting pieces of information but all my personal and spiritual

studies and experiences intuitivly lead me to one conclusion and

that is that the new world order is on the cusp of bringing their

plan into fruition. The past may have had isolated pockets of

society being introduced to this controlled mind state/hypnosis but

never on a totally global scale. What hitler did was a half hearted

attempt at what the new world order will do. The only difference is

that the world will not truly know of Maitreyas intentions until it

is out of the hands of the people and the government and the

bankers and the world elite. Once he has risen to the central axis

of power i think he will address the world and tell them it is time

for change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world

view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.

This will be either the great deception before christs arrival or

it will be the true way forward for

humanity either way the end result (peace) will justify the means

(total control).



Peace and blessings

Antonio.



--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of

Truth"?

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 2:51 AM



Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the

motive is for these dark powers?



Cass



____________ _________ _________ __



From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>



To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM



Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of

Truth"?



Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.



But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another

candidate is better.



They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".



And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.



Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who

have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a

right decision.



But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a

democracy.



Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who

to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass

media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.



Doubt is regarded as criminal.



Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.



So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the

taboos have changed.



BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in

1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His

coronation in Jerusalem.



So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism

is misused as a mask by dark forces.



Frank



----- Original Message -----



From: Leon Maurer



To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM



Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of

Truth"?



Antonio,



I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk



that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up



causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,



injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless



millions of people.



No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew



7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the



end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to



supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --



it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually



rule.



And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute



power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always



corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion



centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on



restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of



the people, is destined to fail.



My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government



never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet



talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who



slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a



seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil



minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many



enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World



Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.



I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying



and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the



works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by



edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and



condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial



government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such



power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all



revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over



dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.



Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no



rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and



enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a



true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the



people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people



decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.



Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly



better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.



And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically



changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we



must never forget that each group of people with similar customs



would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so



long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by



any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the



world problems.



As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the



same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global



economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who



are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or



unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --



under their guidance and control.



In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and



Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists



and would be dictatorial monarchists.



While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming



savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an



old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good



intentions." ;-)



But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about



"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only



one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice



individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should



study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start



preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart Doctrine.



So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert



into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually



minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your



ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its



underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,



dictatorially religious governmental organization.



Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading



about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have



experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have



been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I



recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky



about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,



as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,



there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the



spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane



(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite



evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:



http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt



Try this one for starters:



http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm



Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and



your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be



ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or



uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,



incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are



now using psychoactive drugs.)



Best wishes,



Leon Maurer



On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:



Hi Leon,







I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on



no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a



reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be



addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one



central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true



realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to



move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new



world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal



brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all



power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet



exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change



both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans



operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To



sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the



monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that



Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be



dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will



be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our



reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.



People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being



anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the



people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching



for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within



you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world



transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from



within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of



consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils



will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i



hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you



look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The



intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal



truth. Love.







Peace and blessings



Antonio







--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:







From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>



Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of



Truth"?



To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com



Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM







































































Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the



revealing of







their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or







their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new







messenger begins the new mission?















And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated







through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to







begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the







modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and







applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high







technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated with







the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship







-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?















And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of







superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats







during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their







new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was







withheld from HPB)?















Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal







themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their







names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to







attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a







notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to







prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free







each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit all







forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation, personal







Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.







.







Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical







Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill







that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into







the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her







writings.















Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books







necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret







Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?







(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along







with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)















Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger







could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the







Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific







journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?







And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the







accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a







proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as







Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his







theories.;-) See:







http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html















Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings







(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally







together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal







brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the

world







the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as







the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a







messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police state







governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.















Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,







messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that







time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the







biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"







will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah



himself ;-)















So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle down to







learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when







that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for







organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever







way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was







meant to be.















Best wishes,







Leon Maurer















On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:















Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now







make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?















Cass







































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From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>







To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com







Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM







Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of



Truth"?















































Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?















Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult







Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide







professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's







teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master







Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."















Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from







H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the







expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:















"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far







better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final







and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-







Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and







philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to







men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original







edition)















But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following







two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in







December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.















The first passage reads:















"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the







time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the







present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be







summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is







even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than







herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of







the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not







have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last







quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain







point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from







which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will







advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master







of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or







America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce







every chance







of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.







Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the







restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will







expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected







Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.















The second passage is as follows:















". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is







made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of







Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each







century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of







spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken







place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their







agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and







teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the







form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have







done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and







healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth







century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have







been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .







but besides a large







and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse







will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the







new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared







for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the







new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."







The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.















The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring







to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These







statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice







Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:















http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six















Daniel







http://hpb.cc































































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