--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-
theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:54 PM
Dear friends and Antonio
My views are:
So I was wrong in reading your words as if you were promoting a
personal Saviour named Maitreya adressing the world?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
of Truth"?
I think it is important to keep things in perspective and not make
assumptions based on lack of information or fact.
Like i have reiterated time and time again my intentions are
love, peace and truth based.
If people wish to assume otherwise that is their perogative.
I think people will understand better my intentions and outlook
on the 22nd of July, once my album is completed.
Until then keep the love flowing.
Peace and Blessings
Antonio
--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 4:15 PM
Dear friends
My views are:
Antonio wrote:
"The only difference is that the world will not truly know of
Maitreyas intentions until it is out of the hands of the people and
the government and the bankers and the world elite. Once he has
risen to the central axis of power i think he will address the
world and tell them it is time for change, he will give humanity
two options 1 to accept his world view of love and peace or 2 to
perish into total choas and anarchy. "
The following view by H. P. Blavatsky aught to be considered. <<<
Extract from H.P.B.'s
E.S.T.S. Instruction No. I
H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"By pandering to the prejudices of people, and especially by
adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a personal,
carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, the
leaders of this "swindle" (for such it is) are endeavoring to draw
men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the true
path."
"Stealing from us our esoteric Sanskrit terms, our facts --- which
he disfigures --- and even our motto, "There is No Religion Higher
than Truth," this self-styled illuminator is sure to prepare
thousands of enemies to Theosophy, when those "awakened" by him
will awaken to the sad truth of having been swindled by this
"Brahmin" & Co. Let all Theosophists be warned in time by the
Esotericists. "
http://www.blavatsk yarchives. com/hpbes1extrac t.htm
- - -
H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"Year after year, and day after day had our officers and members
to interrupt people speaking of the theosophical movement by
putting in more or less emphatic protests against theosophy being
referred to as a "religion," and the Theosophical Society as a kind
of church or religious body. Still worse, it is as often spoken of
as a "new sect"! Is it a stubborn prejudice, an error, or both? The
latter, most likely. The most narrow-minded and even notoriously
unfair people are still in need of a plausible pretext, of a peg on
which to hang their little uncharitable remarks and innocently-
uttered slanders. And what peg is more solid for that purpose, more
convenient than an "ism" or a "sect." The great majority would be
very sorry to be disabused and finally forced to accept the fact
that theosophy is neither. The name suits them, and they pretend to
be unaware of its falseness. But there are others, also, many more
or less friendly people, who labour
sincerely under the same delusion. To these, we say: Surely the
world has been hitherto sufficiently cursed with the intellectual
extinguishers known as dogmatic creeds, without having inflicted
upon it a new form of faith! Too many already wear their faith,
truly, as Shakespeare puts it, "but as the fashion of his hat,"
ever changing "with the next block." Moreover, the very raison
d'être of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, to
utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any
belief based upon blind faith."
(IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?)
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/IsTheosophy AReligion. htm
So why
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Maurer
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
of Truth"?
And that's the same kind of thinking that led to the Holy Roman
Empire, the inquisition, the dark ages and the 30 year war... Not to
mention Hitler's New World Order Holocaust. If anyone thinks that a
messianic based "new world order" could be any different -- they are
either totally naive, or brain washed dupes of the dark side.
Invariably, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Leon
On May 19, 2009, at 5/19/098:31 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
Antonio wrote: Once he has risen to the central axis of power i
think he will address the world and tell them it is time for
change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
Cass: This is a christian view on Armegeddon/Apocalyp se -
theosophy completely rejects this idea.
Cass
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:43:22 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Hi Cass,
Thank you for your view point. I understand what you say but there
are truths that only those in the higher echlons of power know.
This darkness in my opinion is simply tool. Like the motto that the
illuminati use "order out of chaos" i feel that the new world order
has been given a bad rap. In my opinion the new world order is an
ancient plan that can be used not only for evil but also for good.
It is a centralisation of power. Once this power is centralised and
it will be then and only then can the agenda be enforced. I
honestly feel that satan and god are working together to teach
humanity to grow and evolve. In this process we fight against
principles of good and evil within ourselves and eventually we come
to a point where we realise within that evil is no longer something
which benefits us. Without satan as a teaching tool we would simply
have nothing to invest our more innate negetive selves in. Satan is
like a mirror , a mirror of all our evils.
The image of satan or dark powers evolves in our minds as time
moves forward until we are able to form a more clear picture of
what evil is. I feel the real people behind the new world order
know this and are merely playing their part in a great theatricle.
I don't feel the power elite, the bankers and politicians are at
the heart of this movement. I feel they are being used by those
even higher up the ranks. The end result will manifest in our
reality and our time of this i have no doubt. It will be down to
all of us individually as humanity to come together to heal a dying
world or to remain individualistic and see the world around us fall
apart. I know what you mean when you say there are good forces that
will not allow the earth to perish and i beleive this too however
the structure of our society could easily fall away and either
bring about total chaos or the greatest change, something aking to
the likes of the Venus project. Their are so many
conflicting pieces of information but all my personal and spiritual
studies and experiences intuitivly lead me to one conclusion and
that is that the new world order is on the cusp of bringing their
plan into fruition. The past may have had isolated pockets of
society being introduced to this controlled mind state/hypnosis but
never on a totally global scale. What hitler did was a half hearted
attempt at what the new world order will do. The only difference is
that the world will not truly know of Maitreyas intentions until it
is out of the hands of the people and the government and the
bankers and the world elite. Once he has risen to the central axis
of power i think he will address the world and tell them it is time
for change, he will give humanity two options 1 to accept his world
view of love and peace or 2 to perish into total choas and anarchy.
This will be either the great deception before christs arrival or
it will be the true way forward for
humanity either way the end result (peace) will justify the means
(total control).
Peace and blessings
Antonio.
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 2:51 AM
Will someone please explain to me in theosophical terms what the
motive is for these dark powers?
Cass
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:24:51 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
But one should not fall into the trap to assume that another
candidate is better.
They are all one and the same, otherwise they would not "set aside".
And if they ever get off track, they will have an accident.
Democracy needs enlightened people, whose eyes are open and who
have access to unfiltered information and are mental able to make a
right decision.
But that is not the case is those countries which claim to be a
democracy.
Neither get the people true information, nor are they teached who
to make decisions, on the contrary, the social pressure and mass
media do all to hypnotize the people and format the brains.
Doubt is regarded as criminal.
Non-believe in mass-media ideologies can bring you into jail.
So no real progress since the alleged dark middle ages, only the
taboos have changed.
BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
1968 the brave New World order with an Emperor, who will have His
coronation in Jerusalem.
So I hope that the Jews may awake before and recognize that Judaism
is misused as a mask by dark forces.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Maurer
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Antonio,
I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
millions of people.
No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
rule.
And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
the people, is destined to fail.
My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
world problems.
As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
under their guidance and control.
In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
and would be dictatorial monarchists.
While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
intentions." ;-)
But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
Doctrine.
So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
dictatorially religious governmental organization.
Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
Try this one for starters:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
now using psychoactive drugs.)
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
Hi Leon,
I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
truth. Love.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
revealing of
their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
messenger begins the new mission?
And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the
modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high
technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated
with
the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship
-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of
superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their
new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
withheld from HPB)?
Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal
themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit
all
forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation,
personal
Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
.
Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical
Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her
writings.
Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?
And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a
proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
theories.;-) See:
http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally
together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
world
the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
state
governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the
biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
himself ;-)
So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
down to
learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
meant to be.
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
Cass
____________ _________ _________ __
From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult
Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original
edition)
But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following
two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
The first passage reads:
"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than
herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not
have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last
quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain
point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from
which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will
advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master
of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or
America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce
every chance
of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.
Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the
restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected
Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.
The second passage is as follows:
". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is
made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of
Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of
spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their
agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the
form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have
done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and
healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth
century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have
been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .
but besides a large
and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the
new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared
for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the
new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."
The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.
The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring
to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These
statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice
Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:
http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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