Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00759)

good grief!
After this I go to bed now.
If I survive this night, I'll answer tomorrow.
Frank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Leon Maurer 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World seeking the buddha's teaching





Perucker was wrong. Ma-tsu was right.

What does the progress of the Theosophical Movement have to do with 
obtaining occult knowledge?

The higher self knows everything, according to HPB. The whole trick 
is asking the right question, and then meditating on it for a period 
of time until you get the answer. That's how Einstein found the 
occult truths of matter-energy equivalence, relativity, quantum 
nature of light, nature of gravity, etc.

Maybe all Perucker meant was learning such truths instantly, without 
self searching, mind experimenting, or meditating on the "secrets" 
hidden in the SD -- as Einstein did (and probably, also, Perucker.) 
-- see: http://leonmaurer.info/einstein.html

All the "hints" leading to ALL the occult truths are already in the 
Secret Doctrine. All it takes to uncover them is one's "intuition" 
-- as HPB pointed out innumerable times as she was writing it.

The only reason anyone might need a teacher is if they expect to gain 
a particular siddhi quickly -- without properly practicing Rajah 
yoga, as taught by Patanjali.

Only the gurus who are hungry for disciples, insist that we need them 
to learn from. Otherwise, what would they do with their accumulated 
knowledge? ;-)

Leon

On May 27, 2009, at 5/27/093:26 PM, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:

> Well, I find this story a little bit problematic.
> This story belongs to another time, another race and therefor another
> mindset.
> Obviously the story wants to say that you cannot find outside what 
> is not
> inside.
> Goethe f.e. said the same.
>
> But from an isolated view the story could mislead people to the 
> believe that
> he can find the occult truths without a teacher.
> Purucker f.e. states that no one can understand the teachings 
> without a
> teacher.
> Purucker's claim is supported by the fact that the Theosophical 
> Movement has
> made no progess since he went home in 1942.
>
> Frank
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Meredith
> To: theos-l@yahoogroups.com ; theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:12 PM
> Subject: Theos-World seeking the buddha's teaching
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> When Hui-hai came to Zen Master Ma-tsu, Ma-tsu asked him,
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> "What have you come here for?"
> Hu-hai said, "I have come seeking the Buddha's teaching."
> "What a fool you are!" Ma-tsu said. "You have the greatest
> treasure in the world inside you, and yet you go around asking
> other people for help. What good is this? I have nothing to
> give you."
> Hu-hai bowed and said, "Please, tell me what this treasure
> is."
> Ma-tsu said, "Where is your question coming from? This is
> your treasure. It is precisely what is asking the question at this
> very moment, Everything is stored in this precious treasure-
> house of yours. It is there at your disposal, you can use it as
> you wish, nothing is lacking. You are the master of everything.
> Why then are you running away from yourself and seeking for
> things outside?"
>
> Upon hearing these words, Hui-hai realized his own mind.
>
> Once, the great Ma-tsu said to me, "Your own treasure-
> house already contains everything you need. Why don't you
> use it freely, instead of chasing after something outside your-
> self?" From that day on, I stopped looking elsewhere. Just make
> use of your own treasure-house according to your needs, and
> you will be happy men. There isn't a single thing that can be
> grasped or rejected.
> When you stop thinking that things have a past or future,
> and that they come or go, then in the whole universe there
> won't be a single atom that is not your own treasure. All you
> have to do is look into your own mind; then the marvelous
> reality will manifest itself at all times.
>
> --Hui-hai, quoted in THE ESSENCE OF WISDOM,
> edited by Stephen Mitchell, Broadway Books, 1998, p26-27
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