Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00747)

Frank,

I find your 2004 account below quite interesting but
I am also quite puzzled by many of your statements.

For example, you write:

"Judge, who designed the ES of 1888, was appointed
by HPB as her successor as head and teacher...."

What do you base this statement on?

Where is the document that shows that "Judge...
was appointed by HPB as her successor as head and
teacher...."?

You also write:

"Annie Besant was appointed by HPB as joint ES head in a
letter to Judge. These letter appeared out of a sudden
within a bulk of papers before Annie Besant in a meeting
(Judge precipitated it)."

"As AB as a lay chela was going through the regular
initiations she was offered the post by HPB:. for a special
time period of probation."

What letter to Judge?

Are you saying that THIS letter to Judge from HPB
appeared all of a sudden in a bulk of papers?

You also say Besant was offered the post by HPB for a
special time period...

Again where are you obtaining this information?

Can you tell us what documents you are basing your
opinion on?

Again, you write:

"... after three compassionate and unmistaken warnings
of Judge, her teacher to whom she was pledged to obey
under all circumstances, was stopped 'by
Masters Order' as He headed the ES circular."

Are you saying that Judge was Besant's teacher????

Who was Besant's teacher??

Again where are you getting this information from?

You also make many other assertions and I wonder
what are your sources?

I would suggest that readers should be as cautious
in accepting many of your statements as they should be
of various statements made on this forum in favor
of Besant and Leadbeater.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, ringding777@t... wrote:
> Judge, who designed the ES of 1888, was appointed by HPB as
> her successor as head and teacher, without going through the
> regular initiations and probations of the lays (because he
> was an adept like HPB and part of herself since aeons) and
> without temporal limitation. That it was stated that both AB
> and WQJ held the highest posts did not include that they had
> the same occult standing.
>
> Annie Besant was appointed by HPB as joint ES head in a
> letter to Judge. These letter appeared out of a sudden
> within a bulk of papers before Annie Besant in a meeting
> (Judge precipitated it).
> As AB as a lay chela was going through the regular
> initiations she was offered the post by HPB:. for a special
> time period of probation. Part of this probation was a
> precipitated duplicate of HPB's occult ring (but one without
> locket). She was never appointed as teacher in the ES and
> she was not aware that Judge was - to be a little
> tolkienike - the master of the ring.
> In 1894 after some trials the period of probation and
> connected with it the post of co-head (not the post as
> teacher), after she felt into the hands of the dugpas, the
> Eastern Jesuits, and after three compassionate and
> unmistaken warnings of Judge, her teacher to whom she was
> pledged to obey under all circumstances, was stopped "by
> Masters Order" as He headed the ES circular.
> Before AB was breaking her pledge three times and after
> three warnings she recognized Judge in his capacity as a
> tulku (in a joint ES meeting in her presence he transformed
> his body to his true Indian body before the ES delegates).
>
> AB did not accept the decision of the Master, published the
> ES documents she found in London as the so-called vol. 3 of
> The Secret Doctrine with many, many "improvements",
> "corrections", shortings,
> new, unmarked insertions and destroyed an unknown number of
> unpublished material of HPB's inheritance (obviously
> executing the will of her new teacher), and closed "her"
> London ES in 1897 as she was able to teach (one is reminded
> on the repetition only 50 years later in Covina with Conger
> and James Long). In the meantime lay chela Leadbeater was
> praising his strange fiction as clairvoyant reading of the
> Akasha records (or was it rather the dark astral world?) and
> they had found new food for the sheep and "their"
> self-styled pseudo-ES was reopened in 1899. Obviously all
> the new pupils (the old pupils of HPB like Charles Ryan went
> to New York to Katherine Tingley or remained single fighters
> like Miss Cleather and her son) have learned not very much
> from their "teachers" AB & CWL as Steiner reports.
> When Steiner went to London in 1904 (obviously he was - even
> as a clairvoyant and Akasha reader for himself!- unaware of
> the true occult status of AB & CWL), he discovered AB and
> her followers on the ground with closed eyes, mumbling
> exoteric mantras and vehemently breathing, became very
> angry, went back to Berlin and told the German Theosophists
> was he has discovered in the so-called London ES HQ.
>
> Perhaps you intermix the information that AB was appointed
> head of the Blavatsky Lodge and President of the European
> Section. But that is quite another story then esoteric
> matters.
>
> To understand Occultism one needs to understand occult
> language. We have the same exoterix misunderstands when HPB
> was refering to her successors as messenger of the Masters.
> Many theosophist even today (after 100 years!) misinterpret
> her words that after 1897 will no new messenger or Master
> appear that she had a "unique" status and that really nobody
> came! What they not understand is that both statements are
> true: That no messenger came after 1897 and that after 1897
> messengers were there! They were there because they were
> there before 1897 (Tingley and Purucker were there before
> 1897) and after 1897 they need not to come to the West
> because they were already in the West! There are many many
> more examples of stupid exoteric misunderstandings as AB &
> CWL liked with their prejidiced western minds. Whole
> organizations are built up on the errors and raping of HPB!
> The neutral observer sees that the more of these
> organizations, claiming to be the best followers of HPB, if
> not the only ones, became exoteric, dead-letter interpreters
> of HPB words, the more aggressive they become when
> confronted with esoteric facts. Today the pukka HPB students
> are lonely wolves as the gnostics in ealry Christendom. To
> avoid the errors and misinterpretations of HPB's oral and
> written words in not virtue to them but fundamentalism. They
> like lies and the maya world. They call it freedom for their
> lower selves.
>
> Frank
>