Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00695)

In the discussions I have posted, I have tried to concentrate on the actual
events and facts surrounding the nomination, tactics and strategies used in
it and the attempts made to defeat Radha Burnier and the unfounded
allegations of voting procedures in India, and finally the secret attempt to
disenfranchise all the members so that the GC members can nominate and
select the president, thus seize the presidency and make the president a
puppet.
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The cleavage created in the election continues to this day and is indicated
in the block of votes against each nominated candidate in the GC in spite of
each nominee being highly reputed long term worker of TS.
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Everything points to current crisis where we have not seen any leaders
taking quick action to get back to business. Also the lack of transparency,
and the past events lend themselves to wonder what else is cooking behind
the scenes and I am urging everyone to be vigilant so that the interests of
TS and theosophy is protected from the "leaders" who may be inclined to do
things harmful to the TS and theosophy even though they may imagine that it
is good for TS and theosophy since we, the ordinary members do not have
enough wisdom.
.

MKR
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On 5/21/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi MKR
>
> Thanks for you thoughts. I have begun my quest and will continue to learn
> and grow through reading.
>
> I have not had a chance to read up on RB but having discovered the
> following on JA's personal website (http://www.jalgeo.com/index.htm) :
>
> Freemasonry requires
> loyalty to the laws of oneâs land and belief in a divine intelligence
> governing the universe, but it has no political or religious affiliations
> or programs, leaving such matters to the conscience
> of individual Freemasons.
>
> And the fact the he is a self proclaimed Freemason and then cross
> referenced the following from my earlier readings of Albert Pike 33rd degree
> mason and authour or Morals and Dogam:
>
> ."The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure
> philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay
> (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for
> humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil."
>
> It leave a lot to the imagination.
>
> I can't help but feel the term Lucifer/Satan comes from the bible. What was
> here first Freemasonary or the bible? Did the bible originate from
> Freemasonary's conception or Vice versa?
>
> In either case and in my opinion what JA has stated on his website and what
> Freemasonary depicts its self to be are two contradictory things. JA Says
> freemasonry is not religious and yet its is obvious higher members refer to
> Satan and lucifer which in my opinion are cleraly religious.
>
> Anyways onto RB.
>
> Peace and Blessings
> Antonio
>
> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:56 PM
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> I strongly encourage everyone to go back to all the messages posted on this
>
> list starting with Jan/Feb 2008 when the election started. There are
>
> numerous messages containing a lot of detailed information and it would
> take
>
> time for anyone to digest all the facts so that a comprehensive and
> complete
>
> picture can be obtained. Without an exhaustive careful reading of all of
>
> them, one is likely to be either confused or come out with erroneous
>
> conclusions.
>
> For the information of everyone, I would like to repeat that I am just an
>
> ordinary member and have held no position in the TS administration in the
>
> past nor am I planning to hold any in the future. In addition, I have my
> own
>
> business for living so I am not beholden to TS and any member of TS for my
>
> livelyhood.
>
> More we take interest in the TS matters, better it is. And we all should be
>
> thankful for the power of Internet that is in everyone's hands today.
>
> MKR
>
> On 5/21/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > Dear MKR,
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> >
>
> > Appologies for the late reply.
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> >
>
> > Having read KEY TO CURRENT CRITICAL SITUATION IN TS i must say that i
>
> > strongly feel as a newbie to this election process that it was very one
>
> > sided in the defence of Radha Burnier there was no information on John
> Algeo
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> > of which i would like to have heard more.
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> >
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> > When we write such a script i feel it is important to not let our
> emotions
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> > cloud our judgements and i must say this script was very emotional.
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> >
>
> > I dont wish to point the finger of blame but have you considered the
>
> > possibilty that Radha Burnier was herself behind the alegation concerning
>
> > her mental and physical state. This could back the fact that she
> possibilly
>
> > won the election through a vote of sympathy. Just a suggestion and
> possibily
>
> > some food for thought.
>
> >
>
> > It was hard for me to form any concrete opinions as the script was very
> one
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> > sided but i will aim to google and youtube the two candidate and reflect
> and
>
> > possible email my opinions.
>
> >
>
> > Just one other note regarding the non-actions of those within the TS
> during
>
> > these elections. I am of the beleif that spiritually enlightened people,
>
> > during times of choas, remain still in the eye of the storm. This could
> be a
>
> > reasons why during the chaos of the elections little or nothing was said.
>
> > Wise people observe first and talk second only if and when needed.
>
> >
>
> > On that note i will further investigate the two candidates and hope to
> form
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> > stronger opinions.
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> >
>
> > Peace and blessings
>
> > Antonio
>
> >
>
> > --- On Wed, 20/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
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> >
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> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 1:36 AM
>
> >
>
> > You have missed the International Election like of which TS has never
> seen
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> >
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> > since its founding. There is huge amount of messages on this list, which
> is
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> >
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> > worth reading to get a good appreciation of the players, electioneering,
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> >
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> > their tactics, some blunders, etc. which is going to form a valuable mine
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> > of
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> >
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> > information for any future historian. You can read a summary in a message
> I
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> >
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> > posted some time ago. The link to the message is:
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> >
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> > .
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> >
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> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 50274>
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> >
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> > .
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> >
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> > If you are interested in reading the messages in the archive, Anton has
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> >
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> > provided a webpage which makes message navigation very easy. However, my
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> >
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> > recommendation is to read my summary first so that you will get an
> overall
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> >
>
> > picture so that when you read individual messages, the puzzle will be
> clear
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> >
>
> > and you may be able to suggest some ideas to break the impasse that is
> now
>
> >
>
> > strangling the TS.
>
> >
>
> > .
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> >
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> > If you still have any difficulty, please feel free to post a msg here and
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> >
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> > all of us will help you.
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> >
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> > .
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> >
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> > MKR
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> >
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> > .
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> >
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> > PS: Anton's webpage is at:
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> >
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> > .
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> >
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> > <http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ After_Convention
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> > _2008.htm><http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/
> After_Convention
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> > _2008.htm>
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> >
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> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Antonio/Tony None <
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> >
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> > spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > > Dear MKR,
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Thanks for your thoughts on this sensetive matter.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > I was not aware of last years election. Could you please calrify who
> this
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> >
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> > > lady was and if she is still the international president?
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > If it is true what you speak of regarding the attempted
> disenfranchising
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> > of
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> >
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> > > members by the higher echlons of power within the TS this would be
> grave
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> >
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> > > cause for concern.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Do you know the people behind this action? Have they been held
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> > accountable
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> >
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> > > and if not why not?
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> > >
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> > > My only assumptions on this matter is that in any organisation you have
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> >
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> > > those that work for the ethos and goals of the organisation and those
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> > that
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> >
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> > > directly or indirectly try to stir the melting pot for reactions and
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> >
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> > > attention.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > This could well be the case although in some instances if a decision is
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> >
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> > > made in the higher ranks to overthrow a member or group of members
> there
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> > is
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> >
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> > > sometimes a valid reason. Not to say the reason is correct or incorrect
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> > but
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> >
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> > > without that knowledge all else is like you say specualtion. So the
> fact
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> > of
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> >
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> > > the matter is that we must work toward a positibe conclusion and
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> > appraoach
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> >
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> > > someone we can trust in delivering this information to us. if this has
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> > been
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> >
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> > > truely tried and still there has been total inaction then a move to
> oust
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> >
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> > > those members must be considered.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Regarding the members in India of which to this point i have been
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> > unaware,
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> >
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> > > perhaps establishing a more positive routh of communication should be
>
> >
>
> > > discussed. ultimatly the TS has goals and aim they are trying to achive
>
> > and
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> >
>
> > > this can only be done by pulling everyone together and working towards
>
> > these
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> >
>
> > > goals anyone who isnt for this should be questioned and their
> intentions
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> > and
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> >
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> > > motives should be brought to light.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Is there not a head person that these matters could be brought the
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> >
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> > > attention of?
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Peace and blessings
>
> >
>
> > > Antonio
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> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > --- On Tue, 19/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > wrote:
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
>
> >
>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> >
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> > > Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 3:07 PM
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> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > There are many well known long time members who read what goes on here.
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> > If
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > anyone needs uptodate reliable information on any TS matter, this list
> is
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > the place to go to. This is a very well known fact.
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> >
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> > >
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> > > .
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> > >
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> > > I do not know if you followed the various developments (you can read
> all
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> > of
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > the details in the archives of this list) since the beginning of the
> last
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > year's election of International President and an attempt was made to
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> >
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> > > defeat
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > her and the techniques and tactics used did not make those involved
> come
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> >
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> > > out
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > smelling like a rose. Readers know how they smell.
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> > >
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> > > .
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> > >
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> >
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> > > In addition, the ultra secret attempt to seize control of the
> presidency
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> > by
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > disenfranchising all members and make the president appointable by the
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> > >
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> >
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> > > General Council members was discovered and members (even those long
> time
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > workers at International and National Headquarters) found out about it
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> >
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> > > here.
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> > >
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> > > .
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> > >
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> > > But for this list, the group in GC would have succeeded in defeating
> the
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> > >
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> >
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> > > sitting president and TS president would have become a puppet in the
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> > hands
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > of a group of GC members. It is the good luck of the members and TS,
> that
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> > >
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> > > this plan was discovered in time before the irreversible damage.
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> > >
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> > > .
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> > > TS is still not out of the woods. The proponents have neither withdrawn
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> > the
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> > >
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> >
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> > > plan nor have they apologized for their mistake in trying to make an
> end
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> > > run
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> > >
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> > > and disenfranchise members all over the world. Members don't easily
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> > forget
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> > >
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> > > such unbelievable acts.
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> > > .
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> > > In the past, many like Giordano Bruno and Hypatia have given their
> lives.
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> > > Today's Theosophical lecturers have been lecturing in a scholarly way
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> > >
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> > > talking about Truth, Fearlessness, and Brotherhood etc., but all of
> them
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> >
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> > > who
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> > >
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> >
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> > > have been witnessing what went on, have been sitting silent on the
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> > >
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> > > sidelines. One wonders why no one has come out and call the spade a
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> > spade.
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> > > Anyone observing all these, would be confused because they see the
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> >
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> > > disconnect between the talk and the walk. All this, in my opinion, has
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> > hurt
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> > >
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> > > the cause and unless quick action is taken, it will be a long time
> before
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> > >
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> > > the damage is fixed. As you probably know, already the membership
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> > >
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> > > statistics outside India is in a sorry state of affairs and none of the
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> > > leaders outside India seems to be concerned about it since no one talks
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> > > about it. One wonders why? Your speculation is as good as any one
> else's.
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> > > .
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> > >
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> > > MKR
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> > > On 5/19/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > > > Hi MKR,
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> > > > Is it true that you are saying their are members of this thread
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> > > monitoring
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> > >
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> > > > and sitting in the background being inactive in discussions and that
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> > you
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> > > are
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> > > > hoping they step forward to contribute to discussions?
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> > > > Please varify or have i missread your reply.
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> > > > Peace and Blessings
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> > >
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> > > > Antonio
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> > > > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > >
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> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
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> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > > > Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:52 PM
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> > > > I think it is good to hear from others on this list. May be there are
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> > > > important ones that we all need to pay attention. If members do not
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> > > > them, it looks like the "leaders"/"elders" are in their own cocoon
> and
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> > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Antonio/Tony None <
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> > > > spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > > > > Dear Group,
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> > > > > I would like to hear of some of the more important issues that are
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> > > > > issues which currently have no visible resolution. In turn i will
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> > > > > own insights and opinions and hopefully form some constructive
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> > > > > on these matters.
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> > > > > Please be as detailed and simple as you can be regarding any issues
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