Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
May 21, 2009 03:30 PM
by Antonio/Tony None
Hi MKR
Thanks for you thoughts. I have begun my quest and will continue to learn and grow through reading.
I have not had a chance to read up on RB but having discovered the following on JA's personal website (http://www.jalgeo.com/index.htm) :
Freemasonry requires
loyalty to the laws of oneâs land and belief in a divine intelligence
governing the universe, but it has no political or religious affiliations
or programs, leaving such matters to the conscience
of individual Freemasons.
And the fact the he is a self proclaimed Freemason and then cross referenced the following from my earlier readings of Albert Pike 33rd degree mason and authour or Morals and Dogam:
."The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure
philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay
(Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for
humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil."
It leave a lot to the imagination.
I can't help but feel the term Lucifer/Satan comes from the bible. What was here first Freemasonary or the bible? Did the bible originate from Freemasonary's conception or Vice versa?
In either case and in my opinion what JA has stated on his website and what Freemasonary depicts its self to be are two contradictory things. JA Says freemasonry is not religious and yet its is obvious higher members refer to Satan and lucifer which in my opinion are cleraly religious.
Anyways onto RB.
Peace and Blessings
Antonio
--- On Thu, 21/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:56 PM
Thanks for your feedback.
I strongly encourage everyone to go back to all the messages posted on this
list starting with Jan/Feb 2008 when the election started. There are
numerous messages containing a lot of detailed information and it would take
time for anyone to digest all the facts so that a comprehensive and complete
picture can be obtained. Without an exhaustive careful reading of all of
them, one is likely to be either confused or come out with erroneous
conclusions.
For the information of everyone, I would like to repeat that I am just an
ordinary member and have held no position in the TS administration in the
past nor am I planning to hold any in the future. In addition, I have my own
business for living so I am not beholden to TS and any member of TS for my
livelyhood.
More we take interest in the TS matters, better it is. And we all should be
thankful for the power of Internet that is in everyone's hands today.
MKR
On 5/21/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> Dear MKR,
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> Appologies for the late reply.
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> Having read KEY TO CURRENT CRITICAL SITUATION IN TS i must say that i
> strongly feel as a newbie to this election process that it was very one
> sided in the defence of Radha Burnier there was no information on John Algeo
> of which i would like to have heard more.
>
> When we write such a script i feel it is important to not let our emotions
> cloud our judgements and i must say this script was very emotional.
>
> I dont wish to point the finger of blame but have you considered the
> possibilty that Radha Burnier was herself behind the alegation concerning
> her mental and physical state. This could back the fact that she possibilly
> won the election through a vote of sympathy. Just a suggestion and possibily
> some food for thought.
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> It was hard for me to form any concrete opinions as the script was very one
> sided but i will aim to google and youtube the two candidate and reflect and
> possible email my opinions.
>
> Just one other note regarding the non-actions of those within the TS during
> these elections. I am of the beleif that spiritually enlightened people,
> during times of choas, remain still in the eye of the storm. This could be a
> reasons why during the chaos of the elections little or nothing was said.
> Wise people observe first and talk second only if and when needed.
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> On that note i will further investigate the two candidates and hope to form
> stronger opinions.
>
> Peace and blessings
> Antonio
>
> --- On Wed, 20/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 1:36 AM
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> You have missed the International Election like of which TS has never seen
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> since its founding. There is huge amount of messages on this list, which is
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> worth reading to get a good appreciation of the players, electioneering,
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> their tactics, some blunders, etc. which is going to form a valuable mine
> of
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> information for any future historian. You can read a summary in a message I
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> posted some time ago. The link to the message is:
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> .
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> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 50274>
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> .
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> If you are interested in reading the messages in the archive, Anton has
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> provided a webpage which makes message navigation very easy. However, my
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> recommendation is to read my summary first so that you will get an overall
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> picture so that when you read individual messages, the puzzle will be clear
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> and you may be able to suggest some ideas to break the impasse that is now
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> strangling the TS.
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> .
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> If you still have any difficulty, please feel free to post a msg here and
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> all of us will help you.
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> .
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> MKR
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> .
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> PS: Anton's webpage is at:
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> <http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ After_Convention
> _2008.htm><http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ After_Convention
> _2008.htm>
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> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Antonio/Tony None <
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> spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > Dear MKR,
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> > Thanks for your thoughts on this sensetive matter.
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> > I was not aware of last years election. Could you please calrify who this
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> > lady was and if she is still the international president?
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> > If it is true what you speak of regarding the attempted disenfranchising
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> > members by the higher echlons of power within the TS this would be grave
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> > cause for concern.
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> > Do you know the people behind this action? Have they been held
> accountable
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> > and if not why not?
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> > My only assumptions on this matter is that in any organisation you have
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> > those that work for the ethos and goals of the organisation and those
> that
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> > directly or indirectly try to stir the melting pot for reactions and
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> > attention.
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> > This could well be the case although in some instances if a decision is
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> > made in the higher ranks to overthrow a member or group of members there
> is
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> > sometimes a valid reason. Not to say the reason is correct or incorrect
> but
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> > without that knowledge all else is like you say specualtion. So the fact
> of
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> > the matter is that we must work toward a positibe conclusion and
> appraoach
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> > someone we can trust in delivering this information to us. if this has
> been
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> > truely tried and still there has been total inaction then a move to oust
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> > those members must be considered.
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> >
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> > Regarding the members in India of which to this point i have been
> unaware,
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> > perhaps establishing a more positive routh of communication should be
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> > discussed. ultimatly the TS has goals and aim they are trying to achive
> and
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> > this can only be done by pulling everyone together and working towards
> these
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> > goals anyone who isnt for this should be questioned and their intentions
> and
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> > motives should be brought to light.
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> > Is there not a head person that these matters could be brought the
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> > attention of?
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> > Peace and blessings
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> > Antonio
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> >
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> >
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> > --- On Tue, 19/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
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> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 3:07 PM
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> > There are many well known long time members who read what goes on here.
> If
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> > anyone needs uptodate reliable information on any TS matter, this list is
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> > the place to go to. This is a very well known fact.
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> > I do not know if you followed the various developments (you can read all
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> > the details in the archives of this list) since the beginning of the last
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> > year's election of International President and an attempt was made to
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> > defeat
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> > her and the techniques and tactics used did not make those involved come
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> > smelling like a rose. Readers know how they smell.
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> > In addition, the ultra secret attempt to seize control of the presidency
> by
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> > disenfranchising all members and make the president appointable by the
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> > General Council members was discovered and members (even those long time
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> >
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> > workers at International and National Headquarters) found out about it
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> > here.
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> > .
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> > But for this list, the group in GC would have succeeded in defeating the
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> >
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> > sitting president and TS president would have become a puppet in the
> hands
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> >
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> > of a group of GC members. It is the good luck of the members and TS, that
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> > this plan was discovered in time before the irreversible damage.
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> > TS is still not out of the woods. The proponents have neither withdrawn
> the
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> > plan nor have they apologized for their mistake in trying to make an end
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> > run
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> > and disenfranchise members all over the world. Members don't easily
> forget
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> > such unbelievable acts.
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> > In the past, many like Giordano Bruno and Hypatia have given their lives.
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> > Today's Theosophical lecturers have been lecturing in a scholarly way
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> > talking about Truth, Fearlessness, and Brotherhood etc., but all of them
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> > who
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> > have been witnessing what went on, have been sitting silent on the
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> > sidelines. One wonders why no one has come out and call the spade a
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> > Anyone observing all these, would be confused because they see the
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> > disconnect between the talk and the walk. All this, in my opinion, has
> hurt
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> > the cause and unless quick action is taken, it will be a long time before
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> > the damage is fixed. As you probably know, already the membership
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> > statistics outside India is in a sorry state of affairs and none of the
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> > leaders outside India seems to be concerned about it since no one talks
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> > about it. One wonders why? Your speculation is as good as any one else's.
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> > MKR
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> > On 5/19/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > > Hi MKR,
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> > > Is it true that you are saying their are members of this thread
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> > monitoring
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> > > and sitting in the background being inactive in discussions and that
> you
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> > are
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> > > hoping they step forward to contribute to discussions?
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> > > Please varify or have i missread your reply.
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> > > Peace and Blessings
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> > > Antonio
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> > > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > wrote:
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> > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
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> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > > Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:52 PM
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> > > I think it is good to hear from others on this list. May be there are
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> > > important ones that we all need to pay attention. If members do not
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> > > them, it looks like the "leaders"/"elders" are in their own cocoon and
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> > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Antonio/Tony None <
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> > > spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > > > I would like to hear of some of the more important issues that are
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> > > > issues which currently have no visible resolution. In turn i will
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> > > > own insights and opinions and hopefully form some constructive
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> > > > on these matters.
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> > > > Please be as detailed and simple as you can be regarding any issues
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> > > > would like to raise as i am not wise with respects to the current
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