Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00676)

duhhh - sorry a simpson moment
Cass




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From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 21 May, 2009 11:02:50 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?





So, who do you think I was talking about? ;-)

Leon

On May 20, 2009, at 5/20/098:40 PM, Cass Silva wrote:

> As far as I am concerned John Lennon was the last Music Messiah and 
> look what happened to him!!! His music caused a revolution in 
> people's thinking.
>
> Cass
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>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009 2:04:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of 
> Truth"?
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> Hi Antonio,
>
> Since everyone here could be reading our letters, and don't always
> save read messages, it would be a good idea to quote whatever
> posting you are responding to.
>
> As I have said all I needed to about your ideas and plans in my last
> correspondence, we'll just have to wait and see if your visions are
> real and the future you predict will be realized in this century, if
> not in our lifetimes.
>
> I may be a bit jaded and skeptical -- since you are the fourth self
> proclaimed music maven messiah I have encountered since the mid
> 1940s. I'm still waiting for any of the prophesies they made to come
> true. One of them, a very successful musician (whom I met in the
> 60's and toked with in NY Central Park during the 70s) even got
> eliminated by the dark side powers that be -- when he came too close
> to initiating his revolution to bring peace and love to the world.
> So, there's no way to know whether he was the real messiah (although
> his music still lives on with his message -- that continues to
> influence many people to think and act theosophically) .
>
> In the meantime, we'll all look forward to your forthcoming album --
> with the hope that it can really help change the world and bring it
> closer to peace, love, and universal brotherhood.
>
> To answer your question... I don't think there that any true
> theosophist -- (many of whom are NOT active members of the splintered
> Theosophical Society) -- could ever consider Creme a theosophist or
> that the man who calls himself Maitreya, is the Messiah he claims to
> be -- since the theosophical Masters themselves do not believe in a
> personal God or his supposed avatars in the flesh. As the great
> teacher Jesus said, "you shall know them by their fruits." So, the
> fact that Creme believes in Maitreya makes it obvious that he may be
> one of the tools of the "New World Order" conspiracy.
>
> And, it also should be obvious that the Christ's (NOT Jesus) apparent
> "return" has already occurred within every true theosophist who has
> achieved self realization, merged his higher self with the Universal
> Self, and has become a nucleus of universal brotherhood -- the prima
> object of the theosophical movement.
>
> Therefore, no one can claim he is the ONLY Christ-Messiah, in order
> to rule and be worshipped and followed... Like the Pharaohs of
> ancient Egypt... None of whom could perform any true miracles --
> other than fooling ignorant people with the same, apparently magical,
> knowledge used by both Jesus and Moses (and even HPB, who also knew
> all the rules of "glamour" and "Mesmerism" -- like the "Fakirs" in
> India).
>
> No doubt the current Maitreya claimant uses those same "stage magic"
> techniques to fool the superstitious Hindu mobs who attend his
> meetings in India.
>
> Good luck with your album.
>
> Best wishes,
> Leon
>
> On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/095:11 PM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
>
>> Hi Leon,
>>
>> Thanks for your indepth feedback.
>>
>> I have taken on board your points of view and what seems to be a
>> vast wealth of knowledge, well articulated in your reply.
>>
>> I can't help the beliefs that i have, they are a result of my life
>> experiences. I beleive it is my calling to break down what the new
>> world order is and what their true agenda is. I would have to agree
>> that the new world order is a powerful ideal one that could
>> potential destroy or heal the world in which we live.
>>
>> The fact remains that regardless of your beliefs, the powers that
>> be will indeed see their plans come to fruition. The TS in my
>> opinion has many faces. It is the culmination of opinions and
>> ideals of each member that create the future for the TS.
>>
>> I have recently watched a few of Krishnamurti' s lectures and i saw
>> him talking at the UN and being introduced as the World Teacher.
>> Although i respect his views i still think he was far off the mark
>> in terms of what i would percieve the real world teacher to be.
>>
>> Benjamin creme a self proclaimed theosphist believes in Maitreya
>> and i am not quite sure what to make of that fact. Is this not a
>> common beleief amongst members of the TS?
>>
>> There are many conflicting views and i can see why the TS is being
>> torn and sides are being formed. My real aim is to break down the
>> viel of secrecy and show people what is really going on. I honestly
>> beleive that the false messiah will actually fool the very elite.
>> those who beleive he will be used as another pupet to bring about
>> their agenda. However i think this is where Maitreya will come into
>> his element and expose the very people that think he is working for
>> them. They say if you cant beat them join them. That is the only
>> way to beat them, from within.
>>
>> If my album makes some waves and i am sure with the confession of
>> who i am in my songs it will. Then i hope that the powers that be
>> will wake up and realise that i am here to help them with their
>> plans. Once inside the devils house i will use love to contaminate
>> the evils and thus turn power inside out.
>>
>> The fact that Maitreya is not destined to arrive for sometime
>> according to your calculations does not deter me in my efforts as
>> time is not relevent to my end goal. The fact is this earth will
>> long perish before the time of Maitryea's arrival based on buddhist
>> calculations.
>>
>> My time to act is now. My life will be put on the line. What i am
>> talking about in my music could lead me to public ridicule
>> something i am willing to sacrafice for change.
>>
>> The bottom line is i know that Maitryea is a false prophet and i
>> also know that without this false prophet Christ can not reapear.
>> So in order to bring about Christs coming i am willing to be the
>> antichrist or false messiah. I want to make that sacrafice. I feel
>> that is my calling.
>>
>> So i will follow my beleifs to the end and see where my album takes
>> me.
>>
>> That overshadowing experience is one i want back. That was the only
>> time in my life that i felt complete, connected and truely at
>> peace. That is what i am aiming for and i feel when my life's work
>> is complete i can either totally let go of that part of my life or
>> totally embrace it based on the reaction of my material.
>>
>> I have had amaizing visions of the future and one based on love and
>> peace and ultimatly that is what i am fighting for in the best and
>> most powerful way i know.
>>
>> So it is obvious we have two very different points of view and i
>> respect yours and know that it is more of an educated enriched
>> perspective of the matters which we speak of but i must follow what
>> i beleive in with all my heart and hope to make positive change as
>> a result.
>>
>> We shall see on the 22nd of July how east london reacts to my
>> campaign. Hopefully it will cause a stir and kick start a
>> revolution. But we will see.
>>
>> Peace and blessings
>> Antonio.
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>> Truth"?
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:49 PM
>>
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>> Antonio,
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>>
>> I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
>>
>> that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
>>
>> causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
>>
>> injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
>>
>> millions of people.
>>
>>
>>
>> No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
>>
>> 7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
>>
>> end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
>>
>> supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
>>
>> it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
>>
>> rule.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
>>
>> power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
>>
>> corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
>>
>> centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
>>
>> restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
>>
>> the people, is destined to fail.
>>
>>
>>
>> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
>>
>> never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
>>
>> talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
>>
>> slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
>>
>> seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
>>
>> minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
>>
>> enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
>>
>> Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
>>
>> and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
>>
>> works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
>>
>> edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
>>
>> condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
>>
>> government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
>>
>> power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
>>
>> revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
>>
>> dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
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>> Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
>>
>> rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
>>
>> enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
>>
>> true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
>>
>> people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
>>
>> decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
>>
>> Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
>>
>> better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
>>
>> changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
>>
>> must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
>>
>> would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
>>
>> long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
>>
>> any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
>>
>> world problems.
>>
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>>
>> As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
>>
>> same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
>>
>> economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
>>
>> are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
>>
>> unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
>>
>> under their guidance and control.
>>
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>>
>> In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
>>
>> Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
>>
>> and would be dictatorial monarchists.
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>>
>> While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
>>
>> savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
>>
>> old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
>>
>> intentions." ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
>>
>> "releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
>>
>> one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
>>
>> individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
>>
>> study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
>>
>> preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart 
>> Doctrine.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
>>
>> into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
>>
>> minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
>>
>> ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
>>
>> underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
>>
>> dictatorially religious governmental organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
>>
>> about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
>>
>> experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
>>
>> been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
>>
>> recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
>>
>> about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
>>
>> as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
>>
>> there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
>>
>> spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
>>
>> (Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
>>
>> evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
>>
>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
>>
>> Try this one for starters:
>>
>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
>>
>> your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
>>
>> ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
>>
>> uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
>>
>> incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
>>
>> now using psychoactive drugs.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Leon Maurer
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
>>
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>>
>>> Hi Leon,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
>>
>>> no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
>>
>>> reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
>>
>>> addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
>>
>>> central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
>>
>>> realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
>>
>>> move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
>>
>>> world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
>>
>>> brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
>>
>>> power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
>>
>>> exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
>>
>>> both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
>>
>>> operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
>>
>>> sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
>>
>>> monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
>>
>>> Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
>>
>>> dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
>>
>>> be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
>>
>>> reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
>>
>>> People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
>>
>>> anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
>>
>>> people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
>>
>>> for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
>>
>>> you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
>>
>>> transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
>>
>>> within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
>>
>>> consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
>>
>>> will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
>>
>>> hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
>>
>>> look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
>>
>>> intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
>>
>>> truth. Love.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Peace and blessings
>>
>>> Antonio
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
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>>>
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>>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
>>
>>> Truth"?
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>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>> Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
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>>> Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
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>>> their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
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>>> their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
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>>> messenger begins the new mission?
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>>> And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
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>>> through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
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>>> begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the
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>>> modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
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>>> applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high
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>>> technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated 
>>> with
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>>> the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship
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>>> -- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
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>>> And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of
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>>> superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
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>>> during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their
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>>> new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
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>>> withheld from HPB)?
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>>> Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal
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>>> themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
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>>> names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
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>>> attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
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>>> notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
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>>> prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
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>>> each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit 
>>> all
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>>> forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation, 
>>> personal
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>>> Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
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>>> Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical
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>>> Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
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>>> that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
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>>> the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her
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>>> writings.
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>>> Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
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>>> necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
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>>> Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
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>>> (Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
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>>> with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
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>>> Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
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>>> could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
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>>> Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
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>>> journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?
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>>> And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
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>>> accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a
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>>> proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
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>>> Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
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>>> theories.;-) See:
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>>> http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
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>>> Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
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>>> (with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally
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>>> together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
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>>> brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
>>> world
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>>> the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
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>>> the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
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>>> messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police 
>>> state
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>>> governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
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>>> Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
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>>> messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
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>>>
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>>> time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the
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>>> biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
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>>> will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
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>>> himself ;-)
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>>> So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle 
>>> down to
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>>> learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
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>>>
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>>> that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
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>>>
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>>> organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
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>>>
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>>> way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
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>>> meant to be.
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>>> Best wishes,
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>>>
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>>> Leon Maurer
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>>> On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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>>>> Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
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>>>> make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
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>>>> Cass
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>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
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>>>
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>>>> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
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>>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>
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>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
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>>>
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>>>> Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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>>>> Truth"?
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>>>> Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
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>>>> Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult
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>>>> Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
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>>>> professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
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>>>> teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
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>>>> Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
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>>>> Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
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>>>> H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
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>>>> expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
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>>>> "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
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>>>> better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
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>>>> and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
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>>>> Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
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>>>> philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
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>>>> men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original
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>>>> edition)
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>>>> But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following
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>>>> two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
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>>>> December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
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>>>> The first passage reads:
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>>>> "Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
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>>>> time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
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>>>> present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
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