Hi Leon,
Thanks for your indepth feedback.
I have taken on board your points of view and what seems to be a
vast wealth of knowledge, well articulated in your reply.
I can't help the beliefs that i have, they are a result of my life
experiences. I beleive it is my calling to break down what the new
world order is and what their true agenda is. I would have to agree
that the new world order is a powerful ideal one that could
potential destroy or heal the world in which we live.
The fact remains that regardless of your beliefs, the powers that
be will indeed see their plans come to fruition. The TS in my
opinion has many faces. It is the culmination of opinions and
ideals of each member that create the future for the TS.
I have recently watched a few of Krishnamurti' s lectures and i saw
him talking at the UN and being introduced as the World Teacher.
Although i respect his views i still think he was far off the mark
in terms of what i would percieve the real world teacher to be.
Benjamin creme a self proclaimed theosphist believes in Maitreya
and i am not quite sure what to make of that fact. Is this not a
common beleief amongst members of the TS?
There are many conflicting views and i can see why the TS is being
torn and sides are being formed. My real aim is to break down the
viel of secrecy and show people what is really going on. I honestly
beleive that the false messiah will actually fool the very elite.
those who beleive he will be used as another pupet to bring about
their agenda. However i think this is where Maitreya will come into
his element and expose the very people that think he is working for
them. They say if you cant beat them join them. That is the only
way to beat them, from within.
If my album makes some waves and i am sure with the confession of
who i am in my songs it will. Then i hope that the powers that be
will wake up and realise that i am here to help them with their
plans. Once inside the devils house i will use love to contaminate
the evils and thus turn power inside out.
The fact that Maitreya is not destined to arrive for sometime
according to your calculations does not deter me in my efforts as
time is not relevent to my end goal. The fact is this earth will
long perish before the time of Maitryea's arrival based on buddhist
calculations.
My time to act is now. My life will be put on the line. What i am
talking about in my music could lead me to public ridicule
something i am willing to sacrafice for change.
The bottom line is i know that Maitryea is a false prophet and i
also know that without this false prophet Christ can not reapear.
So in order to bring about Christs coming i am willing to be the
antichrist or false messiah. I want to make that sacrafice. I feel
that is my calling.
So i will follow my beleifs to the end and see where my album takes
me.
That overshadowing experience is one i want back. That was the only
time in my life that i felt complete, connected and truely at
peace. That is what i am aiming for and i feel when my life's work
is complete i can either totally let go of that part of my life or
totally embrace it based on the reaction of my material.
I have had amaizing visions of the future and one based on love and
peace and ultimatly that is what i am fighting for in the best and
most powerful way i know.
So it is obvious we have two very different points of view and i
respect yours and know that it is more of an educated enriched
perspective of the matters which we speak of but i must follow what
i beleive in with all my heart and hope to make positive change as
a result.
We shall see on the 22nd of July how east london reacts to my
campaign. Hopefully it will cause a stir and kick start a
revolution. But we will see.
Peace and blessings
Antonio.
--- On Mon, 18/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:49 PM
Antonio,
I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
millions of people.
No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
rule.
And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
the people, is destined to fail.
My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
world problems.
As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
under their guidance and control.
In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
and would be dictatorial monarchists.
While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
intentions." ;-)
But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
Doctrine.
So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
dictatorially religious governmental organization.
Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
Try this one for starters:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
now using psychoactive drugs.)
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
Hi Leon,
I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
truth. Love.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
revealing of
their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
messenger begins the new mission?
And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the
modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high
technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated
with
the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship
-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of
superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their
new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
withheld from HPB)?
Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal
themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit
all
forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation,
personal
Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
.
Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical
Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her
writings.
Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?
And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a
proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
theories.;-) See:
http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally
together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
world
the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
state
governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the
biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
himself ;-)
So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
down to
learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
meant to be.
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
Cass
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From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult
Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original
edition)
But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following
two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
The first passage reads:
"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than
herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not
have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last
quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain
point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from
which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will
advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master
of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or
America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce
every chance
of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.
Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the
restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected
Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.
The second passage is as follows:
". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is
made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of
Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of
spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their
agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the
form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have
done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and
healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth
century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have
been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .
but besides a large
and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the
new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared
for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the
new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."
The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.
The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring
to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These
statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice
Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:
http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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