Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00644)

You have missed the International Election like of which TS has never seen
since its founding. There is huge amount of messages on this list, which is
worth reading to get a good appreciation of the players, electioneering,
their tactics, some blunders, etc. which is going to form a valuable mine of
information for any future historian. You can read a summary in a message I
posted some time ago. The link to the message is:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/50274>
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If you are interested in reading the messages in the archive, Anton has
provided a webpage which makes message navigation very easy. However, my
recommendation is to read my summary first so that you will get an overall
picture so that when you read individual messages, the puzzle will be clear
and you may be able to suggest some ideas to break the impasse that is now
strangling the TS.
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If you still have any difficulty, please feel free to post a msg here and
all of us will help  you.

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MKR
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 PS: Anton's webpage is at:
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<http://www.teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/After_Convention_2008.htm><http://www.teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/After_Convention_2008.htm>



On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Antonio/Tony None <
spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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> Dear MKR,
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> Thanks for your thoughts on this sensetive matter.
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> I was not aware of last years election. Could you please calrify who this
> lady was and if she is still the international president?
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> If it is true what you speak of regarding the attempted disenfranchising of
> members by the higher echlons of power within the TS this would be grave
> cause for concern.
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> Do you know the people behind this action? Have they been held accountable
> and if not why not?
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> My only assumptions on this matter is that in any organisation you have
> those that work for the ethos and goals of the organisation and those that
> directly or indirectly try to stir the melting pot for reactions and
> attention.
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> This could well be the case although in some instances if a decision is
> made in the higher ranks to overthrow a member or group of members there is
> sometimes a valid reason. Not to say the reason is correct or incorrect but
> without that knowledge all else is like you say specualtion. So the fact of
> the matter is that we must work toward a positibe conclusion and appraoach
> someone we can trust in delivering this information to us. if this has been
> truely tried and still there has been total inaction then a move to oust
> those members must be considered.
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> Regarding the members in India of which to this point i have been unaware,
> perhaps establishing a more positive routh of communication should be
> discussed. ultimatly the TS has goals and aim they are trying to achive and
> this can only be done by pulling everyone together and working towards these
> goals anyone who isnt for this should be questioned and their intentions and
> motives should be brought to light.
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> Is there not a head person that these matters could be brought the
> attention of?
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> Peace and blessings
> Antonio
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> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 3:07 PM
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> There are many well known long time members who read what goes on here. If
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> anyone needs uptodate reliable information on any TS matter, this list is
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> the place to go to. This is a very well known fact.
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> I do not know if you followed the various developments (you can read all of
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> the details in the archives of this list) since the beginning of the last
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> year's election of International President and an attempt was made to
> defeat
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> her and the techniques and tactics used did not make those involved come
> out
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> smelling like a rose. Readers know how they smell.
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> In addition, the ultra secret attempt to seize control of the presidency by
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> disenfranchising all members and make the president appointable by the
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> General Council members was discovered and members (even those long time
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> workers at International and National Headquarters) found out about it
> here.
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> But for this list, the group in GC would have succeeded in defeating the
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> sitting president and TS president would have become a puppet in the hands
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> of a group of GC members. It is the good luck of the members and TS, that
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> this plan was discovered in time before the irreversible damage.
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> TS is still not out of the woods. The proponents have neither withdrawn the
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> plan nor have they apologized for their mistake in trying to make an end
> run
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> and disenfranchise members all over the world. Members don't easily forget
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> such unbelievable acts.
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> In the past, many like Giordano Bruno and Hypatia have given their lives.
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> Today's Theosophical lecturers have been lecturing in a scholarly way
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> talking about Truth, Fearlessness, and Brotherhood etc., but all of them
> who
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> have been witnessing what went on, have been sitting silent on the
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> sidelines. One wonders why no one has come out and call the spade a spade.
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> Anyone observing all these, would be confused because they see the
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> disconnect between the talk and the walk. All this, in my opinion, has hurt
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> the cause and unless quick action is taken, it will be a long time before
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> the damage is fixed. As you probably know, already the membership
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> statistics outside India is in a sorry state of affairs and none of the
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> leaders outside India seems to be concerned about it since no one talks
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> about it. One wonders why? Your speculation is as good as any one else's.
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> MKR
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> On 5/19/09, Antonio/Tony None <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
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> > Hi MKR,
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> > Is it true that you are saying their are members of this thread
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> > and sitting in the background being inactive in discussions and that you
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> > hoping they step forward to contribute to discussions?
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> > Please varify or have i missread your reply.
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> > Peace and Blessings
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> > Antonio
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> >
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> > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Current Issues Facing the TS
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:52 PM
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> > I think it is good to hear from others on this list. May be there are
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> > important ones that we all need to pay attention. If members do not raise
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> > them, it looks like the "leaders"/"elders" are in their own cocoon and do
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> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Antonio/Tony None <
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> > > issues which currently have no visible resolution. In turn i will offer
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> > > Please be as detailed and simple as you can be regarding any issues you
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> > > would like to raise as i am not wise with respects to the current
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