Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00600)

Dear Jerry
Thankyou - I didn't realise HPB hadn't applied the terms.

Cass




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From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter.net>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 16 May, 2009 10:04:25 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"





Dear Cass,

My understanding is that Annie Besant used the title to mean that she 
was the Head of the Esoteric School and sole (or, perhaps, final) 
spokesperson for the Masters in matters concerning that School. 

But actually, your question is a further illustration of the point that 
I was trying to make by bringing up the subject in the first place. 
That new terms and titles appeared after HPB died, and that we need to 
be careful about applying them retroactively to her time. Your question 
includes two more of those terms: "The Inner Government" and "The Great 
White Brotherhood. " Both terms are commonly seen in Annie Besant and 
C. W. Leadbeater's writings, and later. However, HPB never (as far as I 
know) used those terms. 

Best
Jerry

Cass Silva wrote:
>
>
> Doesn't outer head imply that HPB was not one of the inner government 
> of masters or The White Brotherhood?
>
> Cass
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter. net <mailto:jjhe% 40charter. net>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou ps.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 May, 2009 10:53:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
>
> Hello Daniel,
>
> Yes, your link works. The link went to p. 323 where Judge, announcing
> HPB's death, refers to her as ..."outer Head of the Section." Thanks.
>
> If Judge capitalized both words, i.e. "Outer Head," I would take it as a
> title. Otherwise, I think Judge meant that HPB's title was "Head of the
> [European ] Section [of the E.S], and he added the modifier of "outer"
> to distinguish her from her teacher, who might then be called the inner
> Head of the E.S. On the other hand, it could be a typo, and Judge
> really meant to write "Outer Head." But if this is the case, and if I
> am correct that HPB never used the title "Outer Head", then it would
> have been Judge who meant to coin that title for HPB. But when Besant
> and Judge jointly led the EST, they both took (at least in the
> beginning) a much humbler pose and signed their joint circulars without
> titles.
>
> Anyway, it is an interesting point, and is possible that Besant read
> "outer Head" as "Outer Head" and assumed that title for herself after
> the Judge split in the Spring of 1895. Also, Katherine Tingley was
> dubbed "Outer Head" by her followers in the May 21, 1896 Point Loma line
> circular--a year after Judge died.
>
> However, my original question was: Where (if anywhere) does HPB
> /herself/ use the title "Outer Head"? Have you anything on this?
>
> Best
> Jerry
>
> danielhcaldwell wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > Well, look here:
> >
> > http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>
> >
> > If this link works, it will go to p. 323 of my ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
> > MADAME BLAVATSKY.
> >
> > See what Judge writes upon HPB's death.
> >
> > I don't know if this would be considered a "title" but Judge does use
> > the two words together to describe HPB.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > <mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins 
> <jjhe@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > I have been unable to find any documents, inside or outside of the 
> E.S.
> > > where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head." As far as I have been able
> > > to determine, this title was first used by Annie Besant. Does anyone
> > > here know of any documents where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head"?
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > > In a recent post, someone wrote:
> > >
> > > "O.H. stand for Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the responsible
> > > messenger who is the teacher and the link."
> > >
> >
> >
>
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