Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00585)

Dear Frank,

You wrote:
"One should bear in mind the "Pledge of Probationers of the Eastern 
School" as of 1891, which R.A.Gilbertin has published in his booklet 
"The Golden Dawn and the Esoteric Section",. Theosophy History Centre, 
London 1987, p.22 and of which a transcript can be found on the web as 
Document No. 6 at:
http://www.dilloo.de/doc.htm#Schweigen_Eastern_School 
<http://www.dilloo.de/doc.htm#Schweigen_Eastern_School>
 >From this it is quite clear that the rumors of the anti Besant faction 
are wrong, who believe that the term O.H. was an invention of Besant."

What is your evidence in the "Pledge of Probationers of the Eastern 
School" that shows that the term "Outer Head" was not an invention of 
Besant? Please make a specific citation and explain your case.

You wrote:
"This rumor found also entry into the valubable book "The Judge case"."

Please cite page and paragraph you have in mind from this pamphlet and 
explain your case.

Thanks
Jerry



Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
>
>
> One should bear in mind the "Pledge of Probationers of the Eastern 
> School" as of 1891, which R.A.Gilbertin has published in his booklet 
> "The Golden Dawn and the Esoteric Section",. Theosophy History Centre, 
> London 1987, p.22 and of which a transcript can be found on the web as 
> Document No. 6 at:
>
> http://www.dilloo.de/doc.htm#Schweigen_Eastern_School 
> <http://www.dilloo.de/doc.htm#Schweigen_Eastern_School>
>
> >From this it is quite clear that the rumors of the anti Besant 
> faction are wrong, who believe that the term O.H. was an invention of 
> Besant.
> This rumor found also entry into the valubable book "The Judge case".
>
> One should also bear in mind that AB was made a pupil in the E.S. 
> which she entered in 1889 and her status as joint O.H. was that on 
> prabation only, while Judge was a teacher in the E.S. and member of it 
> since 1875. When Master K.H. ended her probation in 1895 she had no 
> worldly and no occult right to claim occult status in 1897 again, 
> therefore her cant about Masters has had to stop.
>
> Frank
>
> PLEDGE OF PROBATIONERS
> IN THE
> EASTERN SCHOOL OF THEOSOPHY.
> ------------------------------
> I Pledge myself to endeavour to make Theosophy a
> living power in my life.
> I pledge myself to support before the world the
> Theosophical movement, and in particular to answer
> and obey, without cavil or delay, all orders given
> me through the outer Heads of this School, in all
> that concerns my Theosophical duties and Esoteric
> work, so far as I can do so without violating my
> positive obligations under the moral law and the
> laws of the land; and I expressly agree that I may
> be expelled from the School and that the fact of
> such expulsion may be made known to its members,
> should I violate this pledge of obedience and
> secrecy.
> I pledge myself never to listen, without protest,
> to any evil thing spoken falsely, or yet unproven,
> of a brother Theosophist, and to abstain from
> condemning others.
> I pledge myself to maintain a constant struggle
> against my lower nature, and to be charitable to
> the weaknesses of others.
> I pledge myself to do all in my power, by study
> and oterhwise, to fit myself to help and teach
> others.
> I pledge myself to give what support I can to the
> Theosophical movement, in time, money, and work.
> I pledge myself to preserve inviolable secrecy as
> regards the signs and passwords of the School and
> all confidential documents; and to return the
> latter to one of the outer Heads of the School, or
> their agents, in case of my resignation, or when
> requested by them to do so.
> To all of which I pledge my most solemn and sacred
> word of honour.
> So help me, my Higher Self.
> Dated at
> .......................................... the
> ............................. day of
> ............................. 1891.
> Name in full
> ...............................................................
> Please state:
> 1. What is your age?
> 2. Are you a member of a Branch T.S. and which, or
> are you an unattached F.T.S.?
> 3. Are you married or single?
> Please send your photograph.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
>
> Dear Cass,
>
> My understanding is that Annie Besant used the title to mean that she
> was the Head of the Esoteric School and sole (or, perhaps, final)
> spokesperson for the Masters in matters concerning that School.
>
> But actually, your question is a further illustration of the point that
> I was trying to make by bringing up the subject in the first place.
> That new terms and titles appeared after HPB died, and that we need to
> be careful about applying them retroactively to her time. Your question
> includes two more of those terms: "The Inner Government" and "The Great
> White Brotherhood." Both terms are commonly seen in Annie Besant and
> C. W. Leadbeater's writings, and later. However, HPB never (as far as I
> know) used those terms.
>
> Best
> Jerry
>
> Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> >
> > Doesn't outer head imply that HPB was not one of the inner government
> > of masters or The White Brotherhood?
> >
> > Cass
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter.net 
> <mailto:jjhe%40charter.net> <mailto:jjhe%40charter.net>>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, 15 May, 2009 10:53:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Query regarding "Outer Head"
> >
> > Hello Daniel,
> >
> > Yes, your link works. The link went to p. 323 where Judge, announcing
> > HPB's death, refers to her as ..."outer Head of the Section." Thanks.
> >
> > If Judge capitalized both words, i.e. "Outer Head," I would take it as a
> > title. Otherwise, I think Judge meant that HPB's title was "Head of the
> > [European ] Section [of the E.S], and he added the modifier of "outer"
> > to distinguish her from her teacher, who might then be called the inner
> > Head of the E.S. On the other hand, it could be a typo, and Judge
> > really meant to write "Outer Head." But if this is the case, and if I
> > am correct that HPB never used the title "Outer Head", then it would
> > have been Judge who meant to coin that title for HPB. But when Besant
> > and Judge jointly led the EST, they both took (at least in the
> > beginning) a much humbler pose and signed their joint circulars without
> > titles.
> >
> > Anyway, it is an interesting point, and is possible that Besant read
> > "outer Head" as "Outer Head" and assumed that title for herself after
> > the Judge split in the Spring of 1895. Also, Katherine Tingley was
> > dubbed "Outer Head" by her followers in the May 21, 1896 Point Loma line
> > circular--a year after Judge died.
> >
> > However, my original question was: Where (if anywhere) does HPB
> > /herself/ use the title "Outer Head"? Have you anything on this?
> >
> > Best
> > Jerry
> >
> > danielhcaldwell wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > > Well, look here:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl. com/psmbsu>
> > >
> > > If this link works, it will go to p. 323 of my ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
> > > MADAME BLAVATSKY.
> > >
> > > See what Judge writes upon HPB's death.
> > >
> > > I don't know if this would be considered a "title" but Judge does use
> > > the two words together to describe HPB.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > <mailto:theos- talk%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> > <jjhe@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > I have been unable to find any documents, inside or outside of the
> > E.S.
> > > > where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head." As far as I have been able
> > > > to determine, this title was first used by Annie Besant. Does anyone
> > > > here know of any documents where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head"?
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a recent post, someone wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "O.H. stand for Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the responsible
> > > > messenger who is the teacher and the link."
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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