Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00542)

Hello Daniel,

I haven't found such a document either.  So, the recent statement 
someone posted on this discussion board (which I quoted in my original 
message) that, ..."Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the responsible 
messenger who is the teacher and the link." is probably incorrect.   
Unless, of course, someone can find documentation to the contrary.  Is 
there anyone here who can furnish such documentation?

Jerry




danielhcaldwell wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I don't think that HPB herself ever used that term: "Outer Head".
>
> I could be wrong but if so, where is the document showing that?
>
> If you browse through all the documents in ESOTERIC PAPERS OF MADAME 
> BLAVATSKY, you will see that from the very beginning, HPB was referred 
> to as Head of the Section, Head of the Esoteric Section or at least in 
> one document as Head of the ES.
>
> This is found in documents signed by HPB, Judge and Olcott.
>
> The first time I can find "outer Head" used is in that Judge document 
> I have already mentioned and you will see those two words again
> on page 326 in the new pledge issued after HPB's death in which
> Mr. Judge and Mrs. Besant were termed "the outer Heads of the School".
>
> One other relevant document I suppose would be the Preliminary 
> Memorandum, see page 47 of ESOTERIC PAPERS.
>
> Here it is stated:
>
> "The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H.P. 
> Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section."
>
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Daniel,
> >
> > Yes, your link works. The link went to p. 323 where Judge, announcing
> > HPB's death, refers to her as ..."outer Head of the Section." Thanks.
> >
> > If Judge capitalized both words, i.e. "Outer Head," I would take it 
> as a
> > title. Otherwise, I think Judge meant that HPB's title was "Head of the
> > [European ] Section [of the E.S], and he added the modifier of "outer"
> > to distinguish her from her teacher, who might then be called the inner
> > Head of the E.S. On the other hand, it could be a typo, and Judge
> > really meant to write "Outer Head." But if this is the case, and if I
> > am correct that HPB never used the title "Outer Head", then it would
> > have been Judge who meant to coin that title for HPB. But when Besant
> > and Judge jointly led the EST, they both took (at least in the
> > beginning) a much humbler pose and signed their joint circulars without
> > titles.
> >
> > Anyway, it is an interesting point, and is possible that Besant read
> > "outer Head" as "Outer Head" and assumed that title for herself after
> > the Judge split in the Spring of 1895. Also, Katherine Tingley was
> > dubbed "Outer Head" by her followers in the May 21, 1896 Point Loma 
> line
> > circular--a year after Judge died.
> >
> > However, my original question was: Where (if anywhere) does HPB
> > /herself/ use the title "Outer Head"? Have you anything on this?
> >
> > Best
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > danielhcaldwell wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > > Well, look here:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu> 
> <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu <http://tinyurl.com/psmbsu>>
> > >
> > > If this link works, it will go to p. 323 of my ESOTERIC PAPERS OF
> > > MADAME BLAVATSKY.
> > >
> > > See what Judge writes upon HPB's death.
> > >
> > > I don't know if this would be considered a "title" but Judge does use
> > > the two words together to describe HPB.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > I have been unable to find any documents, inside or outside of 
> the E.S.
> > > > where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head." As far as I have been able
> > > > to determine, this title was first used by Annie Besant. Does anyone
> > > > here know of any documents where H.P.B. uses the title "Outer Head"?
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a recent post, someone wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "O.H. stand for Outer Head, a term coined by HPB for the responsible
> > > > messenger who is the teacher and the link."
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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