Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00507)

Hello, Duane,

Thanks for the references and I will read them.

I love your artwork at the top of this page:

http://www.light-weaver.com/excerpts1.html

Very beautiful...indeed.

Daniel



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Duane Carpenter <monad_monad_monad@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Daniel
> A friend of mine and co-worker Marilyn has put together an outline of the different types of psychic or telepathic contact outlined by AAB in one of her books that can take place from the  highest levels to the lowest. http://www.light-weaver.com/excerpts1.html
> This can be dismissed as nonsense or it may give the serious student some insights into the transmission of energy and force that he or she must come to understand and eventually master.
> This brief overview may be written in a slightly different language then most Theosophist are familiar with but might shed some light on the existing controversies of where these higher forces emanate from and how they are to be contacted. 
> The accompanied art work is mine and can be viewed in its entirety at this following website.
> http://light-weaver.com/
> 
> Blessings duane
> 
> 
> 
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> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:38:17 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Sinnett tries his "experiments" on Holloway, Travers & Cleather
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> Sinnett tries his "experiments"
> on Holloway, Travers and Cleather
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> In 1884, Mr. A.P. Sinnett believed he was in contact
> with the Master K.H., independent of H.P.B.
> acting as mediator. Sinnett wrote in his
> book "The Early Days of Theosophy":
> 
> "About this time [early July 1884] Mrs.
> Holloway, a wonderfully gifted American
> psychic came to stay with us. . . . .She
> used to get vivid clairvoyant visions of
> the Master, - could pass on messages to me
> from K.H. and on one occasion he actually
> made use of her to speak to me in the first
> person." p. 27
> 
> What is not clear from his account is that Mr. Sinnett
> actually "hypnotised" Laura Holloway.
> 
> Notice what Master Morya writes about Mrs. Holloway
> in a letter to H.P.B.:
> 
> "Had she [Mrs. Holloway] been docile to advice given
> to her, had she avoided to fall daily under magnetic
> influence that, after first experiment, dragged her
> down from the lofty plane of seership to the low
> level of mediumship, she would have developed by
> this time sufficiently to trust in herself with
> her visions."
> 
> I believe one can reasonably conclude that this refers to Mr.
> Sinnett's "hypnotising" of Mrs. Holloway.
> 
> Master Koot Hoomi writes on this very subject to Sinnett himself:
> 
> "I have never bound you to anything thro' Mrs. H[olloway]; never
> communicated with you or any one else thro' her -- nor have any of
> my, or M.'s chelas, to my knowledge, except in America, once at Paris
> and another time at Mrs. A.'s house. She is an excellent but quite
> undeveloped clairvoyante. Had she not been imprudently meddled with,
> and had you followed the old woman's and Mohini's advice indeed, by
> this time I might have spoken with you thro' her -- and such was our
> intention. It is again your own fault, my good friend. You have
> proudly claimed the privilege of exercising your own, uncontrolled
> judgment in occult matters you could know nothing about -- and the
> occult laws -- you believe you can defy and play with, with
> impunity -- have turned round upon you and have badly hurt you."
> 
> In later years Sinnett continued to do his "experiments" as can be seen in the following two accounts.
> 
> STATEMENT ONE:
> 
> In The Autobiography of Alfred Percy Sinnett, he wrote:
> 
> "On the 26th of April 1886. . . we went . . . to the Albemarle
> Club . . . to meet a lady who was . . . desirous of making my
> acquaintance . . . . . I will give her a fictitious name and call her
> Mary. . . . shortly afterwards I tried a mesmeric experiment with her
> (in accordance with her wish) and obtained remarkable results - she
> went very easily into a trance in which she became unequivocally
> clairvoyant. . . .I became convinced that she clairvoyantly saw the
> mountain region in Tibet where the Master K.H. resided. . . . . It
> became obvious that Mary might become a link between myself and the
> Master. . . . . Mary came to stay with us . . . in February 1888 and
> our regular mesmeric sittings were resumed almost every evening, the
> Master [KH] talking to me through her in most cases. In this way I
> gathered a great deal of miscellaneous occult information. . . . .
> Mary left us to go to her own home in May 1888 having had mesmeric
> sitting almost every evening while she was with us, at most of which
> the Master spoke to me, - or rather dictated to her what he wished to
> say. She would pass into a higher condition in which she could be in
> touch with him and be enabled to repeat his words to her in reply to
> my questions or remarks." pp 33 & 38-39
> 
> STATEMENT TWO:
> 
> In 1887-1888, Mr. Sinnett tried to hypnotize another Theosophist.
> Mrs. Alice Leighton Cleather has left us a record of her experiences
> with Mr. Sinnett in this regard:
> 
> "Had it not been for H. P. B., it is just possible that I myself
> might have figured as one of Mr. Sinnett's sensitives. I was seeing
> a great deal of both him and his wife, before H. P. B. moved into
> London from Maycot; and one day Mr. Sinnett suggested that I should
> allow him to make the experiment of trying to 'release' my soul from
> the body, as I might then have some interesting experiences. I
> thought so, too, although I then knew nothing of the dangers of such
> irresponsible practices. . . . However, on receiving from Mr. Sinnett
> the assurance that he would be able to bring my soul safely back
> again, I consented to submit to the experiment. His method proved to
> be the usual one. He asked me to lie down and close my eyes, and
> then proceeded to make mesmeric passes. He told me that I should
> soon 'go off,' and would then become conscious on 'a higher plane.'
> After what seemed to be about ten minutes, and I was beginning to
> wonder when 'I' should be 'released,' Mr. Sinnett said in a low
> voice: 'Now you can't move your right arm.' Naturally I did so
> at once, and lifted my forearm, opening my eyes at the same time to
> look at him. I have rarely seen anyone so taken aback; he had
> evidently thought I was 'off.' He seemed also quite annoyed by the
> failure of the experiment, but said we would try again another day.
> We never did, however, for soon afterwards H. P.B. moved into London,
> and I happened to mention the incident to her. She was really angry,
> and absolutely forbade me to permit Mr. Sinnett, or anyone else, to
> try such experiments again. Later on, of course, I came to learn the
> extreme danger of such practices, and that in the wrong hands they
> are forms of Black Magic. I relate these few incidents, out of many
> that could be cited, in order to show the very questionable basis on
> which Mr. Sinnett's claim to 'independent communication' [with
> the Masters] rested...." Alice Leighton Cleather, "H. P. Blavatsky:
> As I Knew Her," pp. 32-33
> 
> In an appendix to the above work by Mrs. Cleather, Basil Crump added
> the following observations:
> 
> "There was also another source of self-deception of some importance
> in diasgnosing Mr. Sinnett's case. He quotes (p. 104) [Early
> Days of Theosophy in Europe] an article by his wife in which she says
> that he was a student of 'the higher aspects of mesmerism.' She calls
> his method the 'pure and more spiritual form' why which 'the true
> Ego, by the effort or assistance of the mesmerist, is really cleared
> of close connection with the lower principles,' but 'still, of
> course, in close magnetic touch with the operator.'
> 
> If the reader will compare this with Mrs. Cleather's account...
> [see above] of Mr. Sinnett's abortive attempt to hypnotise her, in
> order to 'release her soul,' it will be clear that he was, at the
> time he lost direct touch with the Master K.H. through his
> treacherous and disloyal attitude towards H.P.B. (in 1884-5),
> endeavouring to regain it by getting hypnotic control over suitably
> sensitive organisms. . . . Hence H.P.B.'s anger when she heard of
> his attempt on Mrs. Cleather, who was fortunately for herself much
> too positive; and it is evident from Mr. Sinnett's account that she
> also at once put a stop to his attempt to make use of Mrs. Holloway,
> for he says (p. 61) she was 'angrily jealous' and 'insisted on Mrs.
> Holloway leaving us and coming back to the Arundales' (with whom H.P.
> B. was staying). Mrs. Holloway. . ., who is very indignant at what
> she terms 'the falsity of Mr. Sinnett's assertions,' is dealing with
> them fully in her book, and is also printing several letters she
> received from her own Masters, and H.P.B.'s, at that period. . . .
> 
> "The real reason for H. P. B.'s anger at Mr. Sinnett's hypnotic
> practices was that they were sheer Black Magic, fraught with grave
> moral and psychic danger to the subject. In her Esoteric
> Instructions she explains what happens to the Ego under such control,
> which will be seen to be quite different from Mrs. Sinnett's
> description. Under the head of "Colours, Sounds, and Forms" in
> Instruction No. I she says:
> 
> 'A good clairvoyant, morevover, if he had an opportunity of seeing a
> Yogi in the trance state and a mesmerised subject, side by side,
> would learn an important lesson in Occultism. He would learn to know
> the difference between self-induced trance and a hypnotic state
> resulting from extraneous influence.
> 
> 'In the Yogi, the 'principles' of the lower Quaternary disappear
> entirely. . . . Nothing [visible] but hardly perceptible vibrations
> of the golden-hued Prana [Life] principle and a violent flame
> streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where
> the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. . . .
> 
> 'On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic
> or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious
> Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the
> principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralysed, Buddhi
> severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violent Astral
> Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama Rupa (the green
> and red animal monsters in us).'
> 
> "Observe that, far from the Higher Ego or Soul (Higher Manas) being
> freed from the body, as Mrs. Sinnett describes it is 'paralysed' and
> the unfortunate subject is left at the mercy of the lower nature and
> the hypnotiser's will." See Alice Leighton Cleather, "H. P.
> Blavatsky: As I Knew Her," pp. 61, 63-64.
> 
> Daniel
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