Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00506)

The interactive Mandalas are a real treat. This sight has progressed very well since it's conception. Say hi to Marilyn, if she can remember me and keep up the good work.

Peace and blessings
Antonio.

--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Duane Carpenter <monad_monad_monad@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Duane Carpenter <monad_monad_monad@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World Different levels of telepathic contact.
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 9:23 PM











    
            
            


      
      Dear Daniel

A friend of mine and co-worker Marilyn has put together an outline of the different types of psychic or telepathic contact outlined by AAB in one of her books that can take place from the  highest levels to the lowest. http://www.light- weaver.com/ excerpts1. html

This can be dismissed as nonsense or it may give the serious student some insights into the transmission of energy and force that he or she must come to understand and eventually master.

This brief overview may be written in a slightly different language then most Theosophist are familiar with but might shed some light on the existing controversies of where these higher forces emanate from and how they are to be contacted. 

The accompanied art work is mine and can be viewed in its entirety at this following website.

http://light- weaver.com/



Blessings duane



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From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:38:17 PM

Subject: Theos-World Sinnett tries his "experiments" on Holloway, Travers & Cleather



Sinnett tries his "experiments"

on Holloway, Travers and Cleather

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In 1884, Mr. A.P. Sinnett believed he was in contact

with the Master K.H., independent of H.P.B.

acting as mediator. Sinnett wrote in his

book "The Early Days of Theosophy":



"About this time [early July 1884] Mrs.

Holloway, a wonderfully gifted American

psychic came to stay with us. . . . .She

used to get vivid clairvoyant visions of

the Master, - could pass on messages to me

from K.H. and on one occasion he actually

made use of her to speak to me in the first

person." p. 27



What is not clear from his account is that Mr. Sinnett

actually "hypnotised" Laura Holloway.



Notice what Master Morya writes about Mrs. Holloway

in a letter to H.P.B.:



"Had she [Mrs. Holloway] been docile to advice given

to her, had she avoided to fall daily under magnetic

influence that, after first experiment, dragged her

down from the lofty plane of seership to the low

level of mediumship, she would have developed by

this time sufficiently to trust in herself with

her visions."



I believe one can reasonably conclude that this refers to Mr.

Sinnett's "hypnotising" of Mrs. Holloway.



Master Koot Hoomi writes on this very subject to Sinnett himself:



"I have never bound you to anything thro' Mrs. H[olloway]; never

communicated with you or any one else thro' her -- nor have any of

my, or M.'s chelas, to my knowledge, except in America, once at Paris

and another time at Mrs. A.'s house. She is an excellent but quite

undeveloped clairvoyante. Had she not been imprudently meddled with,

and had you followed the old woman's and Mohini's advice indeed, by

this time I might have spoken with you thro' her -- and such was our

intention. It is again your own fault, my good friend. You have

proudly claimed the privilege of exercising your own, uncontrolled

judgment in occult matters you could know nothing about -- and the

occult laws -- you believe you can defy and play with, with

impunity -- have turned round upon you and have badly hurt you."



In later years Sinnett continued to do his "experiments" as can be seen in the following two accounts.



STATEMENT ONE:



In The Autobiography of Alfred Percy Sinnett, he wrote:



"On the 26th of April 1886. . . we went . . . to the Albemarle

Club . . . to meet a lady who was . . . desirous of making my

acquaintance . . . . . I will give her a fictitious name and call her

Mary. . . . shortly afterwards I tried a mesmeric experiment with her

(in accordance with her wish) and obtained remarkable results - she

went very easily into a trance in which she became unequivocally

clairvoyant. . . .I became convinced that she clairvoyantly saw the

mountain region in Tibet where the Master K.H. resided. . . . . It

became obvious that Mary might become a link between myself and the

Master. . . . . Mary came to stay with us . . . in February 1888 and

our regular mesmeric sittings were resumed almost every evening, the

Master [KH] talking to me through her in most cases. In this way I

gathered a great deal of miscellaneous occult information. . . . .

Mary left us to go to her own home in May 1888 having had mesmeric

sitting almost every evening while she was with us, at most of which

the Master spoke to me, - or rather dictated to her what he wished to

say. She would pass into a higher condition in which she could be in

touch with him and be enabled to repeat his words to her in reply to

my questions or remarks." pp 33 & 38-39



STATEMENT TWO:



In 1887-1888, Mr. Sinnett tried to hypnotize another Theosophist.

Mrs. Alice Leighton Cleather has left us a record of her experiences

with Mr. Sinnett in this regard:



"Had it not been for H. P. B., it is just possible that I myself

might have figured as one of Mr. Sinnett's sensitives. I was seeing

a great deal of both him and his wife, before H. P. B. moved into

London from Maycot; and one day Mr. Sinnett suggested that I should

allow him to make the experiment of trying to 'release' my soul from

the body, as I might then have some interesting experiences. I

thought so, too, although I then knew nothing of the dangers of such

irresponsible practices. . . . However, on receiving from Mr. Sinnett

the assurance that he would be able to bring my soul safely back

again, I consented to submit to the experiment. His method proved to

be the usual one. He asked me to lie down and close my eyes, and

then proceeded to make mesmeric passes. He told me that I should

soon 'go off,' and would then become conscious on 'a higher plane.'

After what seemed to be about ten minutes, and I was beginning to

wonder when 'I' should be 'released,' Mr. Sinnett said in a low

voice: 'Now you can't move your right arm.' Naturally I did so

at once, and lifted my forearm, opening my eyes at the same time to

look at him. I have rarely seen anyone so taken aback; he had

evidently thought I was 'off.' He seemed also quite annoyed by the

failure of the experiment, but said we would try again another day.

We never did, however, for soon afterwards H. P.B. moved into London,

and I happened to mention the incident to her. She was really angry,

and absolutely forbade me to permit Mr. Sinnett, or anyone else, to

try such experiments again. Later on, of course, I came to learn the

extreme danger of such practices, and that in the wrong hands they

are forms of Black Magic. I relate these few incidents, out of many

that could be cited, in order to show the very questionable basis on

which Mr. Sinnett's claim to 'independent communication' [with

the Masters] rested...." Alice Leighton Cleather, "H. P. Blavatsky:

As I Knew Her," pp. 32-33



In an appendix to the above work by Mrs. Cleather, Basil Crump added

the following observations:



"There was also another source of self-deception of some importance

in diasgnosing Mr. Sinnett's case. He quotes (p. 104) [Early

Days of Theosophy in Europe] an article by his wife in which she says

that he was a student of 'the higher aspects of mesmerism.' She calls

his method the 'pure and more spiritual form' why which 'the true

Ego, by the effort or assistance of the mesmerist, is really cleared

of close connection with the lower principles,' but 'still, of

course, in close magnetic touch with the operator.'



If the reader will compare this with Mrs. Cleather's account...

[see above] of Mr. Sinnett's abortive attempt to hypnotise her, in

order to 'release her soul,' it will be clear that he was, at the

time he lost direct touch with the Master K.H. through his

treacherous and disloyal attitude towards H.P.B. (in 1884-5),

endeavouring to regain it by getting hypnotic control over suitably

sensitive organisms. . . . Hence H.P.B.'s anger when she heard of

his attempt on Mrs. Cleather, who was fortunately for herself much

too positive; and it is evident from Mr. Sinnett's account that she

also at once put a stop to his attempt to make use of Mrs. Holloway,

for he says (p. 61) she was 'angrily jealous' and 'insisted on Mrs.

Holloway leaving us and coming back to the Arundales' (with whom H.P.

B. was staying). Mrs. Holloway. . ., who is very indignant at what

she terms 'the falsity of Mr. Sinnett's assertions,' is dealing with

them fully in her book, and is also printing several letters she

received from her own Masters, and H.P.B.'s, at that period. . . .



"The real reason for H. P. B.'s anger at Mr. Sinnett's hypnotic

practices was that they were sheer Black Magic, fraught with grave

moral and psychic danger to the subject. In her Esoteric

Instructions she explains what happens to the Ego under such control,

which will be seen to be quite different from Mrs. Sinnett's

description. Under the head of "Colours, Sounds, and Forms" in

Instruction No. I she says:



'A good clairvoyant, morevover, if he had an opportunity of seeing a

Yogi in the trance state and a mesmerised subject, side by side,

would learn an important lesson in Occultism. He would learn to know

the difference between self-induced trance and a hypnotic state

resulting from extraneous influence.



'In the Yogi, the 'principles' of the lower Quaternary disappear

entirely. . . . Nothing [visible] but hardly perceptible vibrations

of the golden-hued Prana [Life] principle and a violent flame

streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where

the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. . . .



'On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic

or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious

Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the

principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralysed, Buddhi

severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violent Astral

Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama Rupa (the green

and red animal monsters in us).'



"Observe that, far from the Higher Ego or Soul (Higher Manas) being

freed from the body, as Mrs. Sinnett describes it is 'paralysed' and

the unfortunate subject is left at the mercy of the lower nature and

the hypnotiser's will." See Alice Leighton Cleather, "H. P.

Blavatsky: As I Knew Her," pp. 61, 63-64.



Daniel

BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER

http://blavatskyarc hives.com

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