Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00291)

Anand,

In the period that these announcements were made (mid-1925) I believe that both K and CWL were sufficiently in tune with the Masters to receive the idea first-hand. As they did not, they were both completely sceptical about the apostle scheme. 

It's merely conceivable it could have been something genuine, but that's all as far as I am concerned. 

Govert

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:25 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Annie Besant on Her Messiah





  Dear Govert,
  J. Krishnamurti ceased to become vehicle of Christ and JK rejected idea of apostleship etc. So Besant's announcements about 12 apostles proved wrong. But suppose WT project had succeeded and if JK had remained vehicle of Christ, then, perhaps, he would have accepted apostleship and announcements made by Besant. In that case both Arundale and Besant would have proven right.
  So announcement of apostleship should not necessarily be considered as wrong move on the part of Besant and Arundale. It might be that these apostleship announcements were proved wrong because JK ceased to be vehicle of Christ and started his own teaching.
  Best
  Anand Gholap

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Govert Schuller" <schuller@...> wrote:
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  > Dear Anand,
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  > I have not studied all of Arundale's writings and claims and what others claimed about him, so I can not tell what my overall assessment would be. The only thing I'm reasonably sure of is that he was mistaken in the apostle affair and as his claims were made based on alleged connection with the Masters, this connection was therefore of an entirely different kind. He might have been self-deluded or fell for impostor masters or just made up stuff. So, in the sense of being connected such that one can bring through communications from the Masters, this I think is not applicable to Arundale in that specific episode. If he was connected before or afterwards or on a different level I can not tell, though I doubt the 'afterwards.' 
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  > Govert 
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  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Anand 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:43 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?
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  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Govert Schuller" <schuller@> wrote:
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  > > The 'apostle affair' came from Arundale and AB made it public as she believed him to be connected to the Masters, which he was not. That was her mistake, and a pretty grave one, and big enough to have us reminded of KH's critique of her. In those days I think it was only K, CWL, Scott and Hodson who were connected. 
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  > G.S. Arundale had published a book 'Nirvana', which was praised by Leadbeater and Annie Besant. Do you want to say that Arundale reached that state without having connection with any of the Masters? And there are perhaps more indications which tell that Annie Besant and Leadbeater considered Arundale as one in contact with the Masters. 
  > Being in contact with Master does not mean that person does not make blunders. Masters don't guide every action of disciples. They have much more important things to do than that.
  > I suspect that some dark powers might have involved in seeing World Teacher project fail. These dark powers try to mislead some individuals, so that good work gets spoiled. 
  > Best
  > Anand Gholap
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