Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00196)

Dear Daniel,

I'm glad you're shocked with a smile.

Any claim by anybody regarding being connected to the Masters has to be scrutinized and easy generalizations should be resisted. 

This means they have to be seen in their historical and social context, messages brought through have to evaluated by content, the history of the claimant considered, modes of connectedness differentiated, kinds of possible mistakes taken into consideration, and I don't know what more. 

Therefore I have to ask you if you could set these quotes by CWL and AB in context. When were they made, where published and made in what context?

Govert

 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: danielhcaldwell 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:51 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Annie Besant made mistakes??!! NO!! How can that be?????





  Govert, you write:

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  The 'apostle affair' came from Arundale and AB made it public as she believed him to be connected to the Masters, which he was not. That was her mistake, and a pretty grave one, and big enough to have us reminded of KH's critique of her. In those days I think it was only K, CWL, Scott and Hodson who were connected.
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  Are you saying Mrs. Besant could make mistakes...even grave mistakes?

  No, you can't mean it!!!! How could you doubt Mrs. Besant?????

  And you say above that CWL was "connected" to the Masters.

  Well, if that is really so, how can you doubt what Mr. Leadbeater says about Mrs. Besant and her own "connections" as well as his own "connections" to the Masters?. 

  Have you forgotten what he said about Mrs. Besant?

  In case you have, I reproduce below Mr. Leadbeater's words:

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  "What can I say to you of your President [Annie
  Besant] that you do not know already? Her colossal
  intellect, her unfailing wisdom, her unrivalled
  eloquence, her splendid forgetfulness of self,
  her untiring devotion of work for others - all
  these are but a small part of her greatness;
  they are on the surface, they may be seen by all,
  they leap to the eyes. But there are other qualities,
  other powers, of which you cannot know, because they
  pertain to the secrets of Initiation. She is a
  pupil of our Masters; from the fount of Their
  archaic wisdom she derives her own, the plans which
  she is carrying out are Their plans for the welfare
  of the world. THINK THEREFORE, HOW GREAT AN
  HONOUR IT IS FOR YOU that you should be permitted
  to work under her, for in doing so you are virtually
  working under Them. THINK HOW WATCHFUL YOU SHOULD
  BE TO MISS NO HINT WHICH FALLS FROM HER LIPS, to carry
  out EXACTLY whatever instructions she may give to you.

  Remember...there will be times when you cannot
  understand her motives, for she is taking into account
  many things which you cannot see and of which
  she must not tell you. BUT WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND
  OR NOT, YOU WILL BE WISE TO FOLLOW HER IMPLICITLY, JUST
  BECAUSE SHE KNOWS.

  THIS IS NOT MERE SUPPOSITION ON MY PART, NO MERE
  FLIGHT OF THE IMAGINATION; I HAVE STOOD BESIDE YOUR
  PRESIDENT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPREME DIRECTOR
  OF EVOLUTION ON THIS GLOBE, AND I KNOW WHEREOF I
  SPEAK. Let the wise hear my words, and act accordingly."
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  Caps added. Adyar Album, p. 45.

  And indeed Mr. Leadbeater was well connected himself. For Mrs. Besant herself certified his connection:

  "By hard, patient work he [C.W. Leadbeater] has won
  rewards . . . until he stands perhaps the MOST TRUSTED of his
  Master's disciples ON THE THRESHOLD OF DIVINITY."
  [The Theosophist, November 1911, p. 308 Caps added.]

  In light of the above, especially Mr. Leadbeater's words, who could possibly doubt Mrs. Besant when she proclaimed to the whole world the following:

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  "And now I have to give you, by command of the King, His message,
  and some of the messages of the Lord Maitreya and His great
  Brothers. . . what I am saying, as to matter of announcement, is
  definitely at the command of the King whom I serve.

  His taking possession of His chosen vehicle . . . will be soon.
  Then He will choose, as before, His twelve apostles . . . and their
  chief, the Lord Himself. He has already chosen them, but I have only
  the command to mention seven who have reached the stage of Arhatship,
  Who were the 'Arhats'?

  The first two, my brother Charles Leadbeater and myself, . . . C.
  Jinarajadasa, . . . George Arundale, Oscar Kollerstrom, . . . Rukmini
  Arundale....

  I left out one and must leave out another. Naturally, our
  Krishnaji [Jiddu Krishnamurti] was one, but he is to be the vehicle
  of the Lord. And the other is one who is very dear to all of us, as
  to the whole Brotherhood: Bishop James Wedgwood. He had borne his
  crucifixion before the seal of Arhatship was set upon him by his King.
  Those are the first seven of the twelve whom He has chosen, with
  Himself as the thirteenth. 'Ye call me Master and Lord, and ye do
  well, for so I am.'

  Now the wonder may come into your mind: H.P.B. was the only one
  who was really announced as the messenger of the Master. Since then
  the world has grown a good deal, and it is possible that while the
  few may be repelled, many thousands will be attracted to the
  Christ. . . . Whatever the effect, since He has said it, it is
  done. . ."
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  The Theosophist, November, 1925

  Therefore who could doubt anything said by these two people who have stood in THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPREME DIRECTOR OF EVOLUTION ON THIS GLOBE???

  I am shocked that you could..... :)

  Daniel
  http://hpb.cc



  

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