Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00324)

In 1987, after Bing lost to Dorothy, I was at the convention and it was  
announced that Bing was going to be sent into exile.  My reaction was,  
"Remind me never to lose an election in this group!"
 
It became a running joke for years.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2009 5:47:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 


Pearls of wisdom. I never thought of the latter.

MKR

On  4/22/09, _Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com)  
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >  wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, they certainly use character for  target practice. One thing I
> learned hanging around Olcott was never  to lose an election!
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
>
>  In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:24:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> _silva_cass@yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva_cass@yahoo.com)   
<silva_cass%silva_cass%> writes:
>
> yeah I know, it  was my feeble attempt at humour!
> Cass
>
>  ____________  ____  ____ 
> From: "__Drpsionic@aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@aol.Drp)   
<_Drpsionic%_Drpsioni><WBR>_ (ma
> _Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com)   <Drpsionic%40aol.Drp>) "
> <__Drpsionic@aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@aol.Drp)   
<_Drpsionic%_Drpsioni><WBR>_ (ma_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) 
<Drpsionic%40aol.Drp>)
>  >
> To: _theos-talk@ To: _theos-ta To: _theos_theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>)
>
>  Sent: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009 2:41:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World  Re: ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ??? online 
communication
>
> I meant  physical assassination!
>
> (though there were some allegations of  poisonings a while ago but that
> could simply have been a result of the  quality of the cooking at Adyar.)
>
> Chuck the  Heretic
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2009 9:10:39 P.M. Central  Daylight Time,
> silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
>
> oops  you're wrong - as an observer I see
> much character assassination in  the TS
>
> Cass
>
> ____________ _________ _________  __
> From: "_Drpsionic@ From: "_Drpsionic<WBR>aol. From:  "_Drpsioni
> <_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_  (m_Drpsionic>
> To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoo
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April,  2009 1:04:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ???  online 
communication
>
> I think it is not merely communication.  Of course things have changed
> since
> my mother was young back  in the days of King Arthur when the monk would
> write the message on a  little piece of parchment, give it to Robin Hood
> who
> would  then put it on an arrow and shoot it and the person for whom it was
>  intended would pull the arrow out of whomever it stuck in, take the
>  message
> to another monk who would then read it.
>
>  Politics in the TS has always been dirty. In fact it has usually been  so
> Byzantine that Emperor Justinian may have created it. We've had  
everything
> except assassination and how the TS has managed to avoid  that never 
ceases
> to amaze me.
>
> Chuck the  Heretic
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:56:21 A.M. Central  Daylight Time,
> mkr777@gmail. com writes:
>
> Hello,  everyone. Nice to see Katinka share her views. I would like to 
add a
>  few facts.
>
> The simplest Internet application is email. These  days a lot of people
> including older and middle aged folks in the West  use it to keep in touch
> with their family and friends. If one can type  with two fingers, one can
> write a msg and email it. Age is not a  barrier. My mother learnt how to
> send
> email when she was 80  years of age. (She was born and grew up in India.)
> She
> quit  sending email only when her eye sight became bad.
>
> During the  last one year, a lot of significant events have taken place in
> TS.  Except a few well known members, no one has come out on the Internet
>  with any views on the events. This is very significant.
>
> The  comment about Krotona simply highlights the fact that the cream of 
the
>  dedicated, knowledgeable and experienced theosophists who are deeply
>  committed to theosophy and TS have kept silent on the events. Ordinary
>  members especially the rookies (newbees) find this totally perplexing
>  because there is a severe disconnect between what they hear of basic
>  theosophical ideas and what they see in action.
>
> All some of us  can do is to do is go to the top of the tower and shout 
that
> the house  is on fire. Hope some one hears.
>
> MKR
>
> There is  no religion higher than truth
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:44 AM,  Katinka Hesselink <
> _mail@katinkahessel imail@k_ (mailto:mail@  _mail@katinkahes sel imail@k>
> wrote:
>
> >
>  >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think a lot of the  current confusion is due to the fact that the old
> > hands at  Krotona (and in Wheaton & in Adyar) just don't know what to do
>  with
> > the new media which are used to spread information and  misinformation,
> > innuendo and fact.
> >
> > I  was talking with my mother just this morning about this. She is used 
 to
> > the slow communication methods of her youth. Getting used to  students 
who
> > rap out a fast reply to just about any question is  hard for her.
> Similarly
> > our leaders are in a position  that is hardly enviable: the internet and
> > e-mail are used to  spread ideas, thoughts, opinions - but the habits of
> how
> >  to respond to them have not been formed. With the result that people
>  decide
> > on what used to be the best response to many problems:  just let it blow
> > past. Giving energy to something will only  strengthen it, after all.
> >
> > Or in other words 'if you  have nothing to say that would contribute,
> hold
> > your  tongue'. But, as both writers below have noticed, this no longer
>  works
> > in the same way. And another saying becomes pertinent:  'inaction in a
> deed
> > of mercy is a deadly sin' (mahatma  quote I think).
> >
> > I'm not saying it is a deadly sin.  I'm saying that we are in the midst
> of a
> > culture learning  to deal with a new technology that is changing the way
> we
> >  communicate. And the people at the top are called on to learn to deal
>  with
> > them while in the spotlight. It's not surprising they are  making 
serious
> > mistakes while doing so - because it takes another  way of dealing with
> > emotions than they grew up with.
>  >
> > So I'm not surprised at not having heard from Krotona. I'm  not sure I
> blame
> > them either.
> >
> >  There's a digital divide here - and some are crossing it with skill,
>  others
> > without - and some are simply not crossing it at all. It  really is too
> much
> > to expect people in their eighties to  do more than observe what's going
> on
> > online.
>  >
> > Katinka Hesselink
> > ____http://www.allconsih_ (http://www.allconsi_/)  
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(http://www.allconsi_/) 
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/)
>  dering.com/)
> > ____http://www.katinkahh_ (http://www.katinkah_/)  
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(http://www.katinkah_/) 
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>  esselink.
> net/)
> > ____http://www.overpeinh_ (http://www.overpein_/)  
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(http://www.overpein_/) 
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> >
> > --- In _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos- --- In 
_theos-talk@
> ya
> <theos-talk%  theos-talk% <WBthe>,
> > "t_s_theosophist" <THEOSOPHIST@  THE> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
>  > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >  > ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ???
> > >
> > >
> >  > It certainly takes no degree of clairvoyance to realize that a  
certain
> > group of General Secretaries, labeled "The Quartet" has  been playing
> "Dirty
> > Politics." Anyone with a Clear and  Perceptive Mind can see this.
> > >
> > >
> >  > First....An attempt to depict Radha Burnier as physically &  mentally
> > unfit to hold office, contrary to the medical evidence  of three 
reputable
> > physicans.
> > >
> >  >
> > > Second...A clandestine attempt to dis-enfranchise T.S.  members from
> > voting.
> > >
> > >
>  > > Third...An untrue and unwarranted attack on the veracity of the  
Indian
> > Section, with no evidence to substantiate the  allegations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fourth  ...An attempt to disrupt the business of the General Council
> >  meeting.
> > >
> > >
> > > And Now a  passive/agressive promotion to bias the membership against
> >  Adyar.
> > >
> > >
> > > In the note  below, M.K. Ramadoss raises a profound question which is
> on
>  > the minds of not only many Theosophists but also the internet public  
at
> > large.
> > >
> > >
> > > I  would also add: What is the Karma of Silence when confronted with 
the
>  > Sinister and unmoral activity that The "Quartet" has been and  
continues
> to
> > promote?
> > >
> >  >
> > > Fraternaly;
> > >
> > > William  Delahunt
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------  ----<WBR> -
> > >
> > >
> > > M.K.  RAMADOSS COMMENTS:
> > >
> > >
> > > From  what I understand, Krotona residents are long-time dedicated
>  members
> > of TS and I am also told that they are also members of  esoteric 
section.
> > >
> > >
> > > Many  of the residents are past and present theosophical leaders,
> >  lecturers and writers. So, rookie members assume that the cream of  
wisdom
> > resides there.
> > >
> > >
>  > > For ordinary members who have been following the events since  the
> > beginning of the international election last year, the  silence of
> members at
> > Krotona is a real puzzle.
>  > >
> > >
> > > There was the spreading of the  untruth about Radha Burnier's health 
by
> > some leaders world-wide.  Even after this untruth was proven false, the
> > leaders took no  action to fix their earlier allegations.
> > >
> >  >
> > > Then came the unproven allegations of procedural errors  in the
> election
> > in India.
> > >
> >  >
> > > Final bombshell was the ultra secret attempt to seize  control of
> > presidency by disenfranchising members world-wide,  which was 
fortunately
> > discovered in time and broadcast over  Internet and TS was saved from a
> > disaster.
> >  >
> > >
> > > During all of the above, we did not  hear a single word of protest
> against
> > any of the above  from any of the leaders " past and present" residing 
at
> >  Krotona.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the above  behaviour a reflection of the fear of the consequences 
of
> > calling  a spade a spade or they do not see what was going on?
> >  >
> > >
> > > We have read in the historical  accounts, men and women losing even
> their
> > lives in  their
> > > fight for Truth. Are we seeing the real effects of  Kali Yuga?
> > >
> > >
> > > Rookie and  ordinary members are really perplexed.
> > >
> >  >
> > > M.K. Ramadoss
> > >
> > > There  is no religion higher than truth
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
>  > >
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>  > >
> > >
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