Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00028)

Dear Adelaisie

Thank you once again for sharing some most interesting ideas.

Perhaps we can investigate and dialogue them a little further 
so that we may each understand them more fully? 

You write, "Whenever one pole of manifestation is activated, 
its opposite is also activated."

Is this entirely accurate? Undoubtedly, for there to be hot
there must be cold. But is this cold only in potential
until an experiencer manifests/experiences it?

There are profound as well as practical implications arising 
from this idea, which unfold through your further comments.

As you write, "When an organization makes progress toward 
manifesting some aspect of the Unity of all Life, the forces of 
separation and disintegration become very noisy and boistrous."

This is so often the case, but why and how? 
Do the forces of separation and disintegration have to be 
manifested? 
Is it a requirement?
If so, who or what requires it? 
Or is it within the nature of the process for this to occur? 
And if it is, is it not for us to participate in?
And if so, how?  

To elaborate, you write, "When the student, for instance, makes 
a vow to himself to follow his highest aspirations, his lower self 
will be tested to whatever degree he can endure."

This is an oft repeated idea in our theosophical circles, albeit 
open to different interpretations. 
What is/are your interpretation/s as to the instigation and 
process of this testing?
"Who" or what does the testing, and if it is ourselves, which part of 
ourselves? 
If it is karma, do you think this is an internally directed process 
or conducted by an external authority?

Or, as before questioned, is it the nature of the process itself?
And if so, is it not for us in which to participate and perhaps even
instigate?

I look very forward to your thoughts on these considerations, 
particularly with respect to your statement, "Why not then stay 
within the Light...."

Kind regards
Nigel 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nigel,
> 
> A useful theosophical principle may apply here. Whenever one pole 
of 
> manifestation is activated, its opposite is also activated. When 
the 
> student, for instance, makes a vow to himself to follow his highest 
> aspirations, his lower self will be tested to whatever degree he 
can 
> endure. When an organization makes progress toward  manifesting 
some 
> aspect of the Unity of all Life, the forces of separation and 
> disintegration become very noisy and boistrous. The occultist can 
use 
> this phonomenon and his awareness of it to assess the impact of the 
> Forces of Light on current situations. We might even say that when 
> these eruptions of personal attacks and indefensible allegations 
> occur, it indicates that real progress is being made. 
> 
> Why not then stay within the Light....
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> On 1 Mar 2009 at 0:35, nhcareyta wrote:
> 
> Dear All
> 
> Historically, there has been much debate concerning the
> putative "claiorvoyant finding" of Jiddu Krishnamurti by
> Bishop (then Mr) CW Leadbeater.
> 
> Has anybody considered the possibility that the Mahatmas
> and/or Karma itself had a role in bringing together the bad
> Bishop and Krishnamurti for the purpose of ultimately
> confronting the blind, authoritarian, messianic, follower
> mindset, promoted by Bishop Leadbeater and Dr Besant,
> a mindset so utterly abhorrent to genuine Theosophy?
> 
> As we are witnessing in this forum, is it not extraordinary
> just how tenaciously resistant the blind, authoritarian mindset
> can be in the face of overwhelming evidence and facts?
> 
> Regards
> Nigel
>