Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00375)

Actually Daniel, the substance of what I said, is from a theosophy source I read 
somewhere long ago..

Lead sentence from one of the Masters was, to effect of,

We have known humans far longer than you  and we know what we are doing.
The Master said, and I am parapharsing after many years,

We allow the fake stories, the story about HPB doing fakery, because we know humans more that you.

We  allow these stories, to save HPB's life.

This is the substance of what one of the Masters said to someone.

It makes sense to me.  

end Henry B. Ellak




--- On Fri, 2/27/09, danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: HPB-- Faker or one with real occult power or both
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:09 AM

Henry,

Interesting comments.

But another alternative is that HPB performed genuine
paranormal phenomena, no fakery at all.

Because if one contends well she probably did some genuine
phenomena but then again she may have faked others, the question
then must be posed:  how does one determine which incidents were 
faked and which incidents were genuine??  What are the criteria for 
doing that?  How does one do that? By flipping a coin?  Or...

But I suggest that if she faked some of them, why not all of them?

And if she faked appearances of her Masters, who would be foolish 
enough to believe that these Masters actually exist?

The problem is that most readers and inquirers never study and 
research the subject in any depth and therefore most of the 
discussions on this at least in this forum over the years has been 
pretty superficial.

Daniel
http;//hpb.cc






--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak ." 
<henrybellak@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> I have no opinion on this.
> She could have been faking stuff,  There is some data from some 
sources which say
> this.
> 
> I take note of the claims that she faked  stuff but I withhold my 
opinion on it. 
> 
> Which is better, or wiser,
> 
> to be called a faker, and laughed at,
> 
> 
> or to be called a real occultist with very real occult power and 
murdered or burned or hung
> for being a witch or something.
> 
> I do understand that real Occult Power really scares people, and 
when people are 
> in enough fear, they will kill you, if you are the one putting fear 
into them.
> 
> So, HPB could be both a fake and a holder of real Occult power at 
the same time.
> 
> The fake stuff is so that people laugh at  her, have no fear of 
her, and allow her to live.
> 
> end Henry B. Ellak
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Anand <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
> From: Anand <AnandGholap@...>
> Subject: Theos-World Re: C.W. Leadbeater, the greatest occultist-
saint of all times
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 2:38 AM
> 
> Following passages are taken from a book. 
>  
>   " [Blavatsky's housekeeper, Emma Cutting, demonstrated] how she

and
> HPB had made a doll together, which they ... manipulated on a long
> bamboo pole in semi-darkness to provide the Master's alleged
> apparitions. Emma had also dropped "precipitated" letters on to
> Theosophical heads from holes in the ceiling, while her husband had
> made sliding panels and hidden entrances into the shrine room
> [adjoining HPB's bedroom] to facilitate Blavatsky's comings and 
goings
> and make possible the substitution of all the brooches, dishes and
> other objects that she used in her demonstrations [i.e., as 
purported
> materializations or "apports"].... 
> 
>     The Russian journalist V. S. Solovieff claimed to have caught
> [Blavatsky] red-handed with the silver bells which produced astral
> music [in séances].... Blavatsky confessed to Solovieff quite 
bluntly
> that the phenomena were fraudulent, adding that one must deceive men
> in order to rule them (Washington, 1995). "
> 
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