Theos-World Re: Krishnamurti on who are you
Feb 17, 2009 02:28 PM
by christinaleestemaker
In that way, that we cannot judge about the way of others, how they
find or don't find their way or thinking they have find the way.
Because it is occult for the other.
I mean in this way, my way is not occult for me!!! But for others,
also their way is occult for us.
Christina
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> I see, that you agree with me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: christinaleestemaker
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:10 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurti on who are you
>
>
> Knowledge from the inner Self is an occult way!
>
> And there are many Paths to Rome, we commonly say.
> Christina
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear friends
> >
> > I would like to know if there are some examples from HPB or
other
> theosophists telling us or stating, as something obvious, that
when
> one walks the path, one can avoid to learn about Occultism. I
have
> always had the opposite view on the issue.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: christinaleestemaker
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:19 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurti on who are you
> >
> >
> > You Morten will tell me this is not theosophy!!!
> > Than you don't know what theosophy is.
> > Christina
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I understand. But I think you also understand why I
> have to
> > disagree with you.
> > > Simply because my knowledge tells me different. And because
the
> > theosophical teachings are saying it as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I cannot help you, because your few is from another
> level.
> > > There is also Adi- anupudaka and after AtmaBuddhiManas.The
ones
> > who
> > > are atmabuddhimanas can understand the higher states.
> > > And no one can tell me I don't know myself, also I cannot say
> > you ,
> > > you don't know yourself, FOR I CANNOT KNOW THAT.UNDERSTAND?
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Christina and friends
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I am ignorant.
> > > > Could you enlighten me, so that I may understand your view?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well to us theosophists Atma = Brahma for each human being.
> > > Blavatsky said it several times. And so did her Masters. And
> > since
> > > Brahma knows about occultism. And since Atma is within you,
> even
> > if
> > > you would like it to go away I find your view difficult to
> agree
> > upon.
> > > >
> > > > But it is of course your choice if you find this view Atma
=
> > Brahma
> > > to be false.
> > > > The most highest Divine is as far as I am aware within your
> > very
> > > own "I".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Sufiliight
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never had heard so much nonsense.But oke it is yours.
> > > > Christina
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > <global-
> > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Christina
> > > > >
> > > > > You cannot know yourself without learning about occultism.
> > > > > That must be logical.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:24 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You asked about knowing theyself and not on occultism.
> > > > > Since when is knowing theyself occultism, for you maybe,
> but
> > > not
> > > > for
> > > > > me.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > > <global-
> > > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I take it, that you disagre with H. P. Blavatsky,
the
> > > > Masters
> > > > > and a whole range of Seers from India, Tibet and other
> > > countries?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > H. P. Blavatsky is clearly stating, that Occultism is
> > > dangerous
> > > > to
> > > > > learn about without a guide.
> > > > > > Walking the path without learning about occultism is
> > > impossible.
> > > > > > So if you want to call me and others "dullheads," where
> > does
> > > it
> > > > > leave you, when not listening to those who have
experienced
> > the
> > > > truth
> > > > > about it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:17 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone have its own way and don't need a guide for
> > knowing
> > > > him
> > > > > or
> > > > > > herself, only the dullheads need!!!
> > > > > > Christina
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann
Olesen"
> > > > <global-
> > > > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you read my previous e-mail?
> > > > > > > How can one learn to know one self without being
guided
> > and
> > > > > without
> > > > > > comparative studying?
> > > > > > > Is it safe to promote a psychological revolution
> inwardly
> > > > > without a
> > > > > > guide?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti said:
> > > > > > > "I know that which I am; I know my purpose in life
> > because
> > > I
> > > > am
> > > > > > Life itself without name, without limitation. And
because
> I
> > > am
> > > > > Life I
> > > > > > would urge you to worship that Life, not in this form
> that
> > is
> > > > > > Krishnamurti but the Life which dwells in each one of
> you.
> > > Put
> > > > > aside
> > > > > > all the paraphernalia of beliefs, religions and
> ceremonies,
> > > and
> > > > > you
> > > > > > will find the Truth."
> > > > > > > (The seventh International Camp of the Order of the
Star
> > > > > > > held at Ommen, Holland, August 6th, 1928)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1928-let-
understanding-
> > be-
> > > > the-
> > > > > law/
> > > > > > jiddu-krishnamurti-let-understanding-be-the-law-07.php
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2.AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey
Hodson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of
the
> > > Star
> > > > > Camps
> > > > > > in Holland and was present when there was evidence of
> > > > remarkable,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > brief, supernormal manifestations. On more than one
> > occasion
> > > > some
> > > > > two
> > > > > > thousand people from many parts of the world were
> gathered
> > at
> > > > > Ommen
> > > > > > to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all were seated in
> > > > concentric
> > > > > > circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would
> arrive,
> > > > take
> > > > > his
> > > > > > place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to
the
> > camp
> > > > > fire.
> > > > > > As the flames arose against the evening sky he would
> chant
> > a
> > > > > mantram
> > > > > > to the god Agni, and return to his seat. Thereafter he
> > would
> > > > > begin to
> > > > > > speak, and on more than one occasion a noticeable
change
> > took
> > > > > place
> > > > > > in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather
> > > iconoclastic
> > > > > > utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of
> expression
> > > and
> > > > > > thought which induced in those present an elevation of
> > > > > consciousness.
> > > > > > The Talks were followed by prolonged meditative
silences.
> > > Many
> > > > of
> > > > > > those present, myself among them, bore testimony to the
> > sense
> > > > of
> > > > > > divine peace which had descended, to a realization of
the
> > > > > Presence of
> > > > > > the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had
begun
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > > fulfilled. These phenomena occurred during some few
> > > successive
> > > > > years,
> > > > > > the events being so marked that Krishnamurti himself
> there
> > > > after
> > > > > > changed the Objects of the Order of the Star in the
East
> > > from,
> > > > in
> > > > > > effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To
> > serve
> > > > the
> > > > > > World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself,
> more
> > > > than
> > > > > once
> > > > > > heard Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was
now
> > here
> > > > and
> > > > > > that the "Coming" had actually occurred. Even now when
he
> > is
> > > > > > speaking, with others I discern a spiritual influence
> > > emanating
> > > > > from
> > > > > > him, as if a great Being were still using him as a
> > > > vehicle.This,
> > > > > > however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of
> the
> > > > > original
> > > > > > prophecy."
> > > > > > > www.theosophical.org/resources/articles/
> > > AppreciationofCWL.pdf
> > > > > > (written around 1965)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A Nobody or Guru or Messiah or partly a Messiah?
> > > Unimportant
> > > > to
> > > > > J.
> > > > > > Krishnamurti?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:50 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=krishnamurti+on
> +whoam
> > > > > > > +I&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=f#
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