Re: Krishnamurti on who are you
Feb 17, 2009 09:10 AM
by christinaleestemaker
Knowledge from the inner Self is an occult way!
And there are many Paths to Rome, we commonly say.
Christina
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear friends
>
> I would like to know if there are some examples from HPB or other
theosophists telling us or stating, as something obvious, that when
one walks the path, one can avoid to learn about Occultism. I have
always had the opposite view on the issue.
>
> Anyone?
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: christinaleestemaker
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:19 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurti on who are you
>
>
> You Morten will tell me this is not theosophy!!!
> Than you don't know what theosophy is.
> Christina
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > I think I understand. But I think you also understand why I
have to
> disagree with you.
> > Simply because my knowledge tells me different. And because the
> theosophical teachings are saying it as well.
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: christinaleestemaker
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> >
> >
> > I think I cannot help you, because your few is from another
level.
> > There is also Adi- anupudaka and after AtmaBuddhiManas.The ones
> who
> > are atmabuddhimanas can understand the higher states.
> > And no one can tell me I don't know myself, also I cannot say
> you ,
> > you don't know yourself, FOR I CANNOT KNOW THAT.UNDERSTAND?
> > Christina
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Christina and friends
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Maybe I am ignorant.
> > > Could you enlighten me, so that I may understand your view?
> > >
> > >
> > > Well to us theosophists Atma = Brahma for each human being.
> > Blavatsky said it several times. And so did her Masters. And
> since
> > Brahma knows about occultism. And since Atma is within you,
even
> if
> > you would like it to go away I find your view difficult to
agree
> upon.
> > >
> > > But it is of course your choice if you find this view Atma =
> Brahma
> > to be false.
> > > The most highest Divine is as far as I am aware within your
> very
> > own "I".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufiliight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > >
> > >
> > > I never had heard so much nonsense.But oke it is yours.
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Christina
> > > >
> > > > You cannot know yourself without learning about occultism.
> > > > That must be logical.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You asked about knowing theyself and not on occultism.
> > > > Since when is knowing theyself occultism, for you maybe,
but
> > not
> > > for
> > > > me.
> > > > Christina
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > <global-
> > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So I take it, that you disagre with H. P. Blavatsky, the
> > > Masters
> > > > and a whole range of Seers from India, Tibet and other
> > countries?
> > > > >
> > > > > H. P. Blavatsky is clearly stating, that Occultism is
> > dangerous
> > > to
> > > > learn about without a guide.
> > > > > Walking the path without learning about occultism is
> > impossible.
> > > > > So if you want to call me and others "dullheads," where
> does
> > it
> > > > leave you, when not listening to those who have experienced
> the
> > > truth
> > > > about it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone have its own way and don't need a guide for
> knowing
> > > him
> > > > or
> > > > > herself, only the dullheads need!!!
> > > > > Christina
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > > <global-
> > > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you read my previous e-mail?
> > > > > > How can one learn to know one self without being guided
> and
> > > > without
> > > > > comparative studying?
> > > > > > Is it safe to promote a psychological revolution
inwardly
> > > > without a
> > > > > guide?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > J. Krishnamurti said:
> > > > > > "I know that which I am; I know my purpose in life
> because
> > I
> > > am
> > > > > Life itself without name, without limitation. And because
I
> > am
> > > > Life I
> > > > > would urge you to worship that Life, not in this form
that
> is
> > > > > Krishnamurti but the Life which dwells in each one of
you.
> > Put
> > > > aside
> > > > > all the paraphernalia of beliefs, religions and
ceremonies,
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > will find the Truth."
> > > > > > (The seventh International Camp of the Order of the Star
> > > > > > held at Ommen, Holland, August 6th, 1928)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1928-let-understanding-
> be-
> > > the-
> > > > law/
> > > > > jiddu-krishnamurti-let-understanding-be-the-law-07.php
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2.AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey Hodson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of the
> > Star
> > > > Camps
> > > > > in Holland and was present when there was evidence of
> > > remarkable,
> > > > if
> > > > > brief, supernormal manifestations. On more than one
> occasion
> > > some
> > > > two
> > > > > thousand people from many parts of the world were
gathered
> at
> > > > Ommen
> > > > > to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all were seated in
> > > concentric
> > > > > circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would
arrive,
> > > take
> > > > his
> > > > > place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to the
> camp
> > > > fire.
> > > > > As the flames arose against the evening sky he would
chant
> a
> > > > mantram
> > > > > to the god Agni, and return to his seat. Thereafter he
> would
> > > > begin to
> > > > > speak, and on more than one occasion a noticeable change
> took
> > > > place
> > > > > in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather
> > iconoclastic
> > > > > utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of
expression
> > and
> > > > > thought which induced in those present an elevation of
> > > > consciousness.
> > > > > The Talks were followed by prolonged meditative silences.
> > Many
> > > of
> > > > > those present, myself among them, bore testimony to the
> sense
> > > of
> > > > > divine peace which had descended, to a realization of the
> > > > Presence of
> > > > > the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had begun
> to
> > be
> > > > > fulfilled. These phenomena occurred during some few
> > successive
> > > > years,
> > > > > the events being so marked that Krishnamurti himself
there
> > > after
> > > > > changed the Objects of the Order of the Star in the East
> > from,
> > > in
> > > > > effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To
> serve
> > > the
> > > > > World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself,
more
> > > than
> > > > once
> > > > > heard Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now
> here
> > > and
> > > > > that the "Coming" had actually occurred. Even now when he
> is
> > > > > speaking, with others I discern a spiritual influence
> > emanating
> > > > from
> > > > > him, as if a great Being were still using him as a
> > > vehicle.This,
> > > > > however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of
the
> > > > original
> > > > > prophecy."
> > > > > > www.theosophical.org/resources/articles/
> > AppreciationofCWL.pdf
> > > > > (written around 1965)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A Nobody or Guru or Messiah or partly a Messiah?
> > Unimportant
> > > to
> > > > J.
> > > > > Krishnamurti?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: christinaleestemaker
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:50 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=krishnamurti+on
+whoam
> > > > > > +I&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=f#
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