Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00222)

Sorry I have no deal in this message, Christina





-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
<christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Christina and friends
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Maybe I am ignorant.
> > Could you enlighten me, so that I may understand your view?
> > 
> > 
> > Well to us theosophists Atma = Brahma for each human being. 
> Blavatsky said it several times. And so did her Masters. And since 
> Brahma knows about occultism. And since Atma is within you, even if 
> you would like it to go away I find your view difficult to agree 
upon.
> > 
> > But it is of course your choice if you find this view Atma = 
Brahma 
> to be false.
> > The most highest Divine is as far as I am aware within your very 
> own "I".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > M. Sufiliight
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:35 PM
> >   Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> > 
> > 
> >   I never had heard so much nonsense.But oke it is yours.
> >   Christina
> > 
> >   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> >   theosophy@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Dear Christina
> >   > 
> >   > You cannot know yourself without learning about occultism.
> >   > That must be logical.
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > M. Sufilight
> >   > 
> >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:24 PM
> >   > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > You asked about knowing theyself and not on occultism.
> >   > Since when is knowing theyself occultism, for you maybe, but 
> not 
> >   for 
> >   > me.
> >   > Christina
> >   > 
> >   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> <global-
> >   > theosophy@> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > 
> >   > > So I take it, that you disagre with H. P. Blavatsky, the 
> >   Masters 
> >   > and a whole range of Seers from India, Tibet and other 
> countries?
> >   > > 
> >   > > H. P. Blavatsky is clearly stating, that Occultism is 
> dangerous 
> >   to 
> >   > learn about without a guide.
> >   > > Walking the path without learning about occultism is 
> impossible.
> >   > > So if you want to call me and others "dullheads," where 
does 
> it 
> >   > leave you, when not listening to those who have experienced 
the 
> >   truth 
> >   > about it?
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > M. Sufilight
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > > From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:17 PM
> >   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > Everyone have its own way and don't need a guide for 
knowing 
> >   him 
> >   > or 
> >   > > herself, only the dullheads need!!!
> >   > > Christina
> >   > > 
> >   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> >   <global-
> >   > > theosophy@> wrote:
> >   > > >
> >   > > > Did you read my previous e-mail?
> >   > > > How can one learn to know one self without being guided 
and 
> >   > without 
> >   > > comparative studying?
> >   > > > Is it safe to promote a psychological revolution inwardly 
> >   > without a 
> >   > > guide?
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 1.
> >   > > > J. Krishnamurti said:
> >   > > > "I know that which I am; I know my purpose in life 
because 
> I 
> >   am 
> >   > > Life itself without name, without limitation. And because I 
> am 
> >   > Life I 
> >   > > would urge you to worship that Life, not in this form that 
is 
> >   > > Krishnamurti but the Life which dwells in each one of you. 
> Put 
> >   > aside 
> >   > > all the paraphernalia of beliefs, religions and ceremonies, 
> and 
> >   > you 
> >   > > will find the Truth."
> >   > > > (The seventh International Camp of the Order of the Star
> >   > > > held at Ommen, Holland, August 6th, 1928) 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > http://jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1928-let-understanding-
be-
> >   the-
> >   > law/
> >   > > jiddu-krishnamurti-let-understanding-be-the-law-07.php
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 2.AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey Hodson
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of the 
> Star 
> >   > Camps 
> >   > > in Holland and was present when there was evidence of 
> >   remarkable, 
> >   > if 
> >   > > brief, supernormal manifestations. On more than one 
occasion 
> >   some 
> >   > two 
> >   > > thousand people from many parts of the world were gathered 
at 
> >   > Ommen 
> >   > > to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all were seated in 
> >   concentric 
> >   > > circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would arrive, 
> >   take 
> >   > his 
> >   > > place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to the 
camp 
> >   > fire. 
> >   > > As the flames arose against the evening sky he would chant 
a 
> >   > mantram 
> >   > > to the god Agni, and return to his seat. Thereafter he 
would 
> >   > begin to 
> >   > > speak, and on more than one occasion a noticeable change 
took 
> >   > place 
> >   > > in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather 
> iconoclastic 
> >   > > utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of expression 
> and 
> >   > > thought which induced in those present an elevation of 
> >   > consciousness. 
> >   > > The Talks were followed by prolonged meditative silences. 
> Many 
> >   of 
> >   > > those present, myself among them, bore testimony to the 
sense 
> >   of 
> >   > > divine peace which had descended, to a realization of the 
> >   > Presence of 
> >   > > the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had begun 
to 
> be 
> >   > > fulfilled. These phenomena occurred during some few 
> successive 
> >   > years, 
> >   > > the events being so marked that Krishnamurti himself there 
> >   after 
> >   > > changed the Objects of the Order of the Star in the East 
> from, 
> >   in 
> >   > > effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To 
serve 
> >   the 
> >   > > World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself, more 
> >   than 
> >   > once 
> >   > > heard Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now 
here 
> >   and 
> >   > > that the "Coming" had actually occurred. Even now when he 
is 
> >   > > speaking, with others I discern a spiritual influence 
> emanating 
> >   > from 
> >   > > him, as if a great Being were still using him as a 
> >   vehicle.This, 
> >   > > however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of the 
> >   > original 
> >   > > prophecy."
> >   > > > www.theosophical.org/resources/articles/
> AppreciationofCWL.pdf 
> >   > > (written around 1965)
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > A Nobody or Guru or Messiah or partly a Messiah? 
> Unimportant 
> >   to 
> >   > J. 
> >   > > Krishnamurti?
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > M. Sufilight
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > > > From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:50 PM
> >   > > > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> >   > > > 
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