Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00221)

I think I cannot help you, because your few is from another level.
There is also Adi- anupudaka and after AtmaBuddhiManas.The ones who 
are atmabuddhimanas can understand the higher states.
And no one can tell me I don't know myself, also I cannot say you , 
you don't know yourself, FOR I CANNOT KNOW THAT.UNDERSTAND?
Christina






--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Christina and friends
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Maybe I am ignorant.
> Could you enlighten me, so that I may understand your view?
> 
> 
> Well to us theosophists Atma = Brahma for each human being. 
Blavatsky said it several times. And so did her Masters. And since 
Brahma knows about occultism. And since Atma is within you, even if 
you would like it to go away I find your view difficult to agree upon.
> 
> But it is of course your choice if you find this view Atma = Brahma 
to be false.
> The most highest Divine is as far as I am aware within your very 
own "I".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufiliight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: christinaleestemaker 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:35 PM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
> 
> 
>   I never had heard so much nonsense.But oke it is yours.
>   Christina
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Dear Christina
>   > 
>   > You cannot know yourself without learning about occultism.
>   > That must be logical.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:24 PM
>   > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > 
>   > 
>   > You asked about knowing theyself and not on occultism.
>   > Since when is knowing theyself occultism, for you maybe, but 
not 
>   for 
>   > me.
>   > Christina
>   > 
>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
>   > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > > So I take it, that you disagre with H. P. Blavatsky, the 
>   Masters 
>   > and a whole range of Seers from India, Tibet and other 
countries?
>   > > 
>   > > H. P. Blavatsky is clearly stating, that Occultism is 
dangerous 
>   to 
>   > learn about without a guide.
>   > > Walking the path without learning about occultism is 
impossible.
>   > > So if you want to call me and others "dullheads," where does 
it 
>   > leave you, when not listening to those who have experienced the 
>   truth 
>   > about it?
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > M. Sufilight
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:17 PM
>   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Everyone have its own way and don't need a guide for knowing 
>   him 
>   > or 
>   > > herself, only the dullheads need!!!
>   > > Christina
>   > > 
>   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
>   <global-
>   > > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Did you read my previous e-mail?
>   > > > How can one learn to know one self without being guided and 
>   > without 
>   > > comparative studying?
>   > > > Is it safe to promote a psychological revolution inwardly 
>   > without a 
>   > > guide?
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 1.
>   > > > J. Krishnamurti said:
>   > > > "I know that which I am; I know my purpose in life because 
I 
>   am 
>   > > Life itself without name, without limitation. And because I 
am 
>   > Life I 
>   > > would urge you to worship that Life, not in this form that is 
>   > > Krishnamurti but the Life which dwells in each one of you. 
Put 
>   > aside 
>   > > all the paraphernalia of beliefs, religions and ceremonies, 
and 
>   > you 
>   > > will find the Truth."
>   > > > (The seventh International Camp of the Order of the Star
>   > > > held at Ommen, Holland, August 6th, 1928) 
>   > > > 
>   > > > http://jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1928-let-understanding-be-
>   the-
>   > law/
>   > > jiddu-krishnamurti-let-understanding-be-the-law-07.php
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 2.AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey Hodson
>   > > > 
>   > > > "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of the 
Star 
>   > Camps 
>   > > in Holland and was present when there was evidence of 
>   remarkable, 
>   > if 
>   > > brief, supernormal manifestations. On more than one occasion 
>   some 
>   > two 
>   > > thousand people from many parts of the world were gathered at 
>   > Ommen 
>   > > to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all were seated in 
>   concentric 
>   > > circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would arrive, 
>   take 
>   > his 
>   > > place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to the camp 
>   > fire. 
>   > > As the flames arose against the evening sky he would chant a 
>   > mantram 
>   > > to the god Agni, and return to his seat. Thereafter he would 
>   > begin to 
>   > > speak, and on more than one occasion a noticeable change took 
>   > place 
>   > > in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather 
iconoclastic 
>   > > utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of expression 
and 
>   > > thought which induced in those present an elevation of 
>   > consciousness. 
>   > > The Talks were followed by prolonged meditative silences. 
Many 
>   of 
>   > > those present, myself among them, bore testimony to the sense 
>   of 
>   > > divine peace which had descended, to a realization of the 
>   > Presence of 
>   > > the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had begun to 
be 
>   > > fulfilled. These phenomena occurred during some few 
successive 
>   > years, 
>   > > the events being so marked that Krishnamurti himself there 
>   after 
>   > > changed the Objects of the Order of the Star in the East 
from, 
>   in 
>   > > effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To serve 
>   the 
>   > > World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself, more 
>   than 
>   > once 
>   > > heard Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now here 
>   and 
>   > > that the "Coming" had actually occurred. Even now when he is 
>   > > speaking, with others I discern a spiritual influence 
emanating 
>   > from 
>   > > him, as if a great Being were still using him as a 
>   vehicle.This, 
>   > > however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of the 
>   > original 
>   > > prophecy."
>   > > > www.theosophical.org/resources/articles/
AppreciationofCWL.pdf 
>   > > (written around 1965)
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > A Nobody or Guru or Messiah or partly a Messiah? 
Unimportant 
>   to 
>   > J. 
>   > > Krishnamurti?
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > M. Sufilight
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:50 PM
>   > > > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti on who are you
>   > > > 
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