Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00043)

Without waiting for the next meeting, it would be interesting to get a
"real" feedback on how the current GC members see the Internet phenomenon -
its velocity and range.

Let us all pray to God for better transparency.

mkr

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:31 PM, <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:

>   At the rate this is going the next GC meeting will be watched by curious
>
> members all around the world gazing into their crystal balls as the
> orthodox
> spew their prune juice in horror and shout, "Psychism! Bad bad naughty
> naughty
> bad!"
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:23:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> Our thanks to Sampsa for keeping us informed from Finland.
>
> Since we have not seen the official record of the GC meeting, any event
> witnessed by several people will be recalled by each differently due to
> various human reasons. We have read accounts from two GC members. Hence it
> would be informative to all, if Sampsa can translate the Finnish version
> into English and post it here so that we can get another view of the
> meeting
> (of course with a disclaimer that Sampsa is not responsible for the
> accuracy
> of the translation.o
>
> The tie votes for Lindemann is interesting. If there is a legitimate
> concern
> about his association with any other group, there is no need for any
> secrecy. TS is not a secret organization. Bring up the issue openly with
> him
> and ask him to respond openly. As a long-time theosophist of highest
> integrity, suspecting anything untoward regarding his association with any
> other group, surprises me and is also not fair to him.
>
> The right course of action is to ask him directly in writing and I am sure
> he will respond. In my experience, many times, when issues arise, the real
> reason behind the issue may be something other than that openly cited or
> discussed.
>
> So it is better for TS as well as for himself to remove the cloud that
> seems
> to have spread over him and the hanging cloud is neither fair to him nor is
> a brotherly action from theosophical leaders.
>
> In my opinion, the proposals made by the Quartet need to be viewed with the
> events that took place since the start of the election process. First came
> the attempt to depict to membership, Radha as sick, mentally and
> physically.
> When three highly reputed doctors, one a GC member and GS of a Section,
> from
> two continents certified her fit, both mentally and physically, instead of
> immediately sharing this information with membership so that they can come
> to their own conclusion, the nominators of the other candidate, kept
> silent,
> thus leading many to think Radha as sick and possibly voted against her.
> Next was the move to disenfranchise the membership world-wide and radically
> change the rules. The timing of the move (soon after the election), and the
> players behind it (those who wanted to defeat Radha) coupled with the
> secrecy and speed with which the change was attempted was the real problem.
>
> The super secrecy with which disenfranchisement move was crafted and speed
> with which approval was sought was astonishing. It was so secret that even
> long-time members at Adyar, Olcott and other National Centers were kept in
> total darkness and they learnt it from Internet.
>
> All of us world-wide were to be disenfranchised and a small group of GC
> members end up monopolizing not only the nomination (as at present) but
> also
> the selection (the election is a farce) of the president, would in effect
> resulted in making the president a puppet controlled by a small group of GC
> members.
>
> So the problems are not with the proposals. It is with the lack of
> transparency at all levels of administration and last year's events
> creating
> a culture of lack of trust in the leaders. Until the trust issue is
> settled,
> any change would be highly suspect. Once members lose their rights, they
> will never retrieve it.
>
> My 0.02.
>
> MKR
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM, sampsakuukasjarvi <
> _sampsakuukasjarvi@sampsakuu_ (mailto:sampsakuukasjarvi@yahoo.com<sampsakuukasjarvi%40yahoo.com>)
> > wrote:
>
> > A correction. I was told that Gabriel Burgos Suarez and Conrad
> > Jamieson are not anymore additional members of the General Council:
> >
> > "According to the 2007 Annual Report, both Gabriel Burgos' and Conrad
> > Jamieson's terms as Additional Members, ended on 31 Dec. 2008."
> >
> > The GS report given by the Finnish General Secretary reminded the
> > reports given by Betty Bland and Warwick Key, but it had been written
> > softer, more politely. The report was published in Finnish on the
> > Finnish Theosophical internet forum.
> >
> > Not any decisions were made in the GC meeting. The reason is that
> > they were not on the agenda. Transparency, rule amendments,
> > membership decline and other hot potatoes were neither discussed
> > formally, but they were discussed informally during the convent.
> >
> > The tie votes mentioned by MKR in his message below took place in the
> > Vice-President nomination and in Ricardo Lindemann's nomination.
> > Lindemann has some connections to an other organization in Brazil and
> > some General Council members thought that the TS will be mixed with
> > that other organization (which name I don't want to mention).
> >
> > I believe that there are serious problems in the way how Adyar
> > administration works. It is undemocratic. Erica, MKR, William, Pedro,
> > Aryel and others big critics against the proposals should admit this.
> > It is not so that "the quartet" behind the amendments is just
> > villains. The truth is somewhere between the opposites.
> >
> > Sampsa
> >
> > --- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>)
>
> <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>, MKR
> > <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing the information. I think we have a good set of GC
> > > members. Would it not be nice if the International Secretary
> > publishes their
> > > e-mail addresses so that members world-wide can write to them of
> > any issues
> > > that should be considered by the GC.
> > >
> > > Already two TS members have suggested that the meetings at national
> > and
> > > international level can easily be opened up by putting a camera and
> > > broadcasting live on Internet. Looks like Internet technology is
> > going to
> > > help us bring transparency to TS. Transparency will be the bulwark
> > to help
> > > prevent any secret dissentious moves by GC members with their own
> > stated or
> > > hidden agendas.
> > >
> > > Tie votes in the last meeting shows the division that exists and it
> > would be
> > > interesting to know who is in what camp and possibly discover and
> > understand
> > > any underlying unspoken driving force or ideology behind them.
> > >
> > > After all we are all human and as a Master once said - the human
> > nature in
> > > London and Adyar are the same. Hence we should be prepared for
> > surprise
> > > actions subtly conflicting with the first object we all subscribe
> > to in
> > > varying degrees.
> > >
> > > Let us keep tuned in and hope we get feedback from other sections
> > and learn
> > > what their members are being told about the GC meeting..
> > >
> > > M K Ramadoss
> > >
> > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, sampsakuukasjarvi <
> > > sampsakuukasjarvi@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The General Secretary of my country (the Finnish Section) will
> > soon
> > > > inform our membership about the decisions and discussion that took
> > > > place at the General Council meeting at Adyar. (I am, of course,
> > > > talking about the TS Adyar.)
> > > >
> > > > I already heard from her who are the current additional members of
> > > > the GC. I am sure that some people here are interested as I to
> > know
> > > > these people.
> > > >
> > > > Ex-officio members:
> > > > President Radha Burnier
> > > > Vice-President Linda Oliveira (Australia 1)
> > > > Secretary Keith Fisher (Australia 2)
> > > > Treasurer Keshwar Dastur (India)
> > > >
> > > > New members (since 2009):
> > > > Helen Jamieson (New Zealand 2)
> > > > Ricardo Lindemann (Brazil)
> > > > Sriram Panchu (India)
> > > > H.K. Sharan (India)
> > > >
> > > > Old members (in 2008 Ãâ" 2010):
> > > > Gabriel Burgos Suarez (Colombia)
> > > > Terezinha Franca Kind (Brazil)
> > > > D.K. Govindaraj (India)
> > > > Conrad Jamieson (New Zealand 2)
> > > > Tran-Thi-Kim- Tran-Thi-Kim
> > > > Joy Mills (USA)
> > > > Surendra Narayan (India)
> > > >
> > > > Explanations:
> > > > 1 = will soon move to Adyar
> > > > 2 = lives at Adyar
> > > >
> > > > Best Wishes,
> > > > Sampsa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
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