Theos-Talk Archives (February 2009 Message tt00036)

Dear Morton,

I'm sorry to point out that the first quote you gave was O.A. Hume's
uncorrected understanding of the issue, not K.H. explanation to Sinnett. 

It's from ML: 14, being "Letter from K.H. Answering Queries. Received
by A.O.H., July 9th, 1882." 

The second quote is from the same letter and is by K.H., but does not
clarify the issue. 

Govert


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe this could help?
> 
> 
> Master KH's letter to AP Sinnett, juli 1882:
> "That the highest people now on earth belong to the first sub-race
of the fifth race, the majority to the seventh sub-race of the fourth
race but with remnants of the other sub-races of the fourth race and
the seventh sub-race of the third race. Pray set us quite right on
this. "...etc. etc.
> 
> ---
> "4th round. -- Intellect has an enormous development in this round.
The dumb races will acquire our human speech, on our globe, on which
from the 4th race language is perfected and knowledge in physical
things increases. At this half-way point of the fourth round, Humanity
passes the axial point of the minor manwantaric circle. (Moreover, at
the middle point of every major or root race evolution of each round,
man passes the equator of his course on that planet, the same rule
applying to the whole evolution or the seven rounds of the minor
Manwantara -- 7 rounds divided by 2 = 3 1/2 rounds). At this point
then the world teems with the results of intellectual activity and
spiritual decrease. In the first half of the fourth race, sciences,
arts, literature and philosophy were born, eclipsed in one nation,
reborn in another. Civilization and intellectual development whirling
in septenary cycles as the rest; while it is but in the latter half
that the spiritual Ego will begin its real struggle with body and mind
to manifest its transcendental powers. Who will help in the
forthcoming gigantic struggle? Who? Happy the man who helps a helping
hand. 
> 
> 5th Round. -- The same relative development, and the same struggle
continues. "
> 
> http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-14.htm
> 
> 
> Is there a fascimile somewhere?
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Frank Reitemeyer 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:48 PM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4th sub-race
> 
> 
>   Govert wrote:
> 
>   From the quotes below (the 'dead letter' interpretation) it looks like
>   we are in Root-race 5 (Aryan), Sub-race 5 (Teutonic). Two quotes from
>   HPB and one by 'Alpha' reflecting the understanding of a member. This
>   understanding is also reflected in a little graph by Jinarajadasa,
>   which some might call the Besant-Leadbeater interpretation, but might
>   very well be in accordance with HPB. See:
>   http://users.ez2.net/nick29/theosophy/lessons15.htm
>   -------------------
> 
>   Frank answers:
>   Thank you, Govert, for the link to the graph of the Besant-Leadbeater 
>   interpretation of the doctrine of the races.
>   From where to they have the names of the races? From HPB?
>   From their "Maha-Chohan"? Or from the Logos?
> 
>   -------------------
> 
>   Govert wrote:
> 
>   If HPB contradicted herself, and if to save her from the charge of
>   inconsistency by saying that some of her statements were blinds, in
>   what way are we to reconcile these contradictions? How do we know
>   what's a blind and what not? And if a contradiction is found and one
>   of the statements therefore allegedly a blind, does that make the
>   subject more important?
> 
>   -------------------
> 
>   Frank answers:
> 
>   I hope, that HPB contradicted herself, as Europeans still greatest 
>   metaphysicial - if not theosophist - Hegel says, that a
contradiction is 
>   always the sign of the truth and th enon-contradiction the sign of
the 
>   untruth.
>   How do we know? Simply by studying the mystery language.
> 
>   I don't think that a blind comes always with a contradiction, but
I hope 
>   that HPB used contradictions to make it easier for lay-chelas to
understand.
> 
> 
> 
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