Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00586)

Christina:

Zakk, Jerry and others are discussing this and nother matters very extensively. By their intellectual approach you may understand the mind has to go through an intellectual state, driven by the power of instinct, to reach pure Intuïtion, which doesn't need words or form. Like Ideas have no need of words or form. However as soon as the Ideas reach a world and its inhabitants, they need form and words to be understood by them and to be realised.
This realisation is like a piece of music, it comes and it dies out. Illusion yes, beautifull when in perfect harmony, noise at its worst.
It is eternal Law which causes Ideas to appear in any world to be realised and maintained if the effect improves life of the inhabitants, who are 'crystalised' music as well.
Above Ideas is the Cosmic Will, the Will to create and in Pralaya, the Will to destroy.

To call the earth a speck of dirt is very disrespectfull for the composition of music, made by the Dzyan Chohans. Of course earth's music could improve, but tell me how many of you are musicians?
A 'Brotherhood of Humanity' is a piece of music, which is written but not finished. The earth needs to be worked upon to be a good instrument to reflect the harmonious tunes of the Human Soul. As long as we do not understand, all is music, we will be in trouble, every time...trillions of years or merely a 100 years in this Kali Yuga?
As for phenomena, music stirs the soul, need I say more?

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: 1. Maya .Finite and infinite
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:43 AM










    
            This is what I have found over the finite and infinite in Mahatma 

letter 6 on internet.

Plato was right: ideas rule the world; and, as men's minds will 

receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete, the world will 

advance: mighty revolutions will spring from them; creeds and even 

powers will crumble before their onward march crushed by the 

irresistible force. It will be just as impossible to resist their 

influx, when the time comes, as to stay the progress of the tide. But 

all this will come gradually on, and before it comes we have a duty 

set before us; that of sweeping away as much as possible the dross 

left to us by our pious forefathers. New ideas have to be planted on 

clean places, for these ideas touch upon the most momentous subjects. 

It is not physical phenomena but these universal ideas that we study, 

as to comprehend the former, we have to first understand the latter. 

They touch man's true position in the universe, in relation to his 

previous and future births; his origin and ultimate destiny; the 

relation of the mortal to the immortal; of the temporary to the 

eternal; of the finite to the infinite; ideas larger, grander, more 

comprehensive, recognising the universal reign of Immutable Law, 

unchanging and unchangeable in regard to which there is only an 

ETERNAL Now, while to uninitiated mortals time is past or future as 

related to their finite existence on this material speck of dirt. 

This is what we study and what many have solved.



And now it is your province to decide which will you have: the 

highest philosophy or simple exhibitions of occult powers. Of course 

this is by far not the last word between us and -- you will have time 

to think it over. The Chiefs want a "Brotherhood of Humanity," a real 

Universal Fraternity started; an institution which would make itself 

known throughout the world and arrest the attention of the highest 

minds. I will send you my Essay. Will you be my co-worker and 

patiently wait for minor phenomena? I think I foresee the answer. At 

all events the holy lamp of spiritual light burning in you (however 

dimly) there is hope for you, and -- for me, also. Yes; put yourself 

in search after natives if there are no English people to be had. But 

think you, the spirit and power of persecution gone from this 

enlightened age? Time will prove. Meanwhile, being human I have to 

rest. I took no sleep for over 60 hours.



Ever yours truly,



KOOT' HOOMI. 



And few sight over Collected writings, perhaps she have written more 

in secret doctrine  and key to theosophy, but I will let it for now:



HPB.Collected writings IV

Page 536



vehicles, if preferred, as to facilitate the manifestation of his 

individuality in its original nature.



My own inference is that Advaita and this coincide, the former 

considering that Jivan is Parabrahm, modified by the latter into 

"Jivan is a part only of Parabrahm."



We believe not. A true esoteric Vedantic Advaitee would say: Aham eva 

Parambrahm, "I am also Parabrahm." In its external manifestation 

Jivan may be regarded as a distinct individuality? the latter a maya; 

in its essence or nature Jivan is?Parabrahm, the consciousness of the 

Paramatma manifesting through, and existing solely in, the aggregated 

Jivans viewed collectively. A creek in the shore of the ocean is one, 

so long only as the land it stretches upon is not redeemed. Forced 

back, its water becomes the ocean.



Considered in this manner, there is one Infinite, made up of 

numberless infinites.



We are at a loss to know what our learned brother can mean by Jivan 

being "dependent" on the whole, unless "inseparable from" is meant. 

If the whole is "all-pervading" and "infinite," all its parts must be 

indivisibly linked together. The idea of separation involves the 

possibility of a vacuum?a portion of space or time where the whole is 

supposed to be absent from some given point. Hence the absurdity of 

speaking of the parts of one Infinite being also infinite. To 

illustrate geometrically, suppose there is an infinite line, which 

has neither a beginning nor end. Its parts cannot also be infinite, 

for when you say "parts," they must have a beginning and end; or, in 

other words, they must be finite, either at one or the other end, 

which is as evident a fallacy as to speak of an immortal soul which 

was at some time created?thus implying a beginning to that which, if 

the word has any sense, is eternal.



Jiva, Iswara and Maya are considered to be real, all the three in 

this light, i.e., as long as anything has existence, it is real or 

true, although that existence may not last forever. The Advaitee says 

that only that which is immutable is true, and all things temporary 

and liable to change are illusionary; whereas the Vi&#347;ishtadvaite e 

says that as immutability is real in the eternity, so mutability is 

also real for the time being, and so long as there is no change. My 

own inference is that all the difficulty here lies in the words, but 

that the idea is one. 



Collected writings VIII

Page 88



unknown principle called Parabrahman, Âdi-Buddha, the "One and 

Eternal Wisdom."

If there is a still greater absurdity than to speak of a cruel God: 

it is to admit that God, the Great, Absolute Whole, could ever 

interfere in terrestrial or human affairs. The infinite cannot 

associate with the finite; the unconditioned ignores the conditioned 

and the limited. The absolute "Intelligence- Wisdom" cannot act in the 

restricted space of a small globe. It is omnipresent and latent in 

the Kosmos, infinite as itself. We find its only truly active 

manifestation in humanity as a whole, composed as it is of stray 

sparks, finite in their objective duration, eternal in their essence, 

issuing from that Hearth without beginning or end. Therefore, the 

only God whom we should serve is Humanity, and our only cult should 

be the love of our fellow man. Doing evil towards him, we wound God 

and make him suffer. When we deny our brotherly duties and refuse to 

consider a pagan as well as a European as our brother, we deny God. 

This is our religion and our dogmas.



--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "christinaleestemak er" 

<christinaleestemak er@...> wrote:

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> Yes Cass, but than( after that trillion of years) we may hope that 

> the infinite have taken place over the finite.

> Christina

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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > wrote:

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> > Within a cycle there is Christina - Each Manvantara has its 

Pralaya 

> - so one could argue that infinity resides in pre-pralaya and all 

> else that is a result of it is still finite - even if we are 

talking 

> about trillions of our years.

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> <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:

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> > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>

> > Subject: 1. Maya . 2.Re: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: America 

> run on guns!!!

> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:16 AM

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> > As I understand well, if it is to be measured it is finite(Maya) 

so 

> > for that it is not the alpha and omega the infinite, what is the 

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> > reality,which is not to be measured for there is no beginning and 

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> > end.

> > Christina

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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Jayananda Hiranandani 

> > <professorjaya@ ...> wrote:

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> > > The root of word maya, is ma (a is long as in father). It means 

> > measure, which makes it finite. In Sindhi, (an Indo-Aryan 

language 

> > with many Sanskrit words, perhaps 70 per cent), the word for 

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> > is mapa (first a is long as in father, the second is short as in 

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> > > Jayananda H. Hiranandani

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> > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, christinaleestemake r 

> > <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:

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> > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>

> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: America run on guns!!!

> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

> > > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 10:59 AM

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> > > Mistake need to read for infinite -- FINITE=Maya

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> > > Infinite is NOT

> > > Christina

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> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "christinaleestemak er" 

> > > <christinaleestemak er@> wrote:

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> > > > Don't worry Adalasie and others.

> > > > All what is infinite is MAYA.

> > > > But I am glad I don't live in America. ( 70 % of the 

Americans 

> > > > bought a gun (nov-dec and jan) accept the ones already have 

one.

> > > > I don't think they use it for hunting on hares!

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> > > > PS Here it is forbidden to have a gun, only policeman may 

have 

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> > > > only use in vital threat

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